definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 10:54 pm
an association, society, or community of people linked by a common interest, religion, or trade.
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Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 10:56 pm
definition of universal
of, affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Tue May 06, 2025 10:58 pm
definition of association
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a connection or cooperative link between people or organizations
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 4:51 am
We need an organization that embraces these tenets for tuba, including tenor tuba, players.
That’d be kinda cool.
That’d be kinda cool.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 5:12 am
We yoosta have that.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:00 am
Definition of tubist: not a euphoniumist
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:29 am
On the other hand, orchestral scores and parts that we hire euphoniums for are normally labeled as “tenor tuba”. I figured you know that. So I would argue all euphoniums are tubas, but not all tubas are euphoniums.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:35 am
For those who might be misguided by a previous post, it's not euphoniumist, it's euphonist, and not to be confused with euphemist.
bloke "Baritone horn players (even saxophone and guitar players) are welcomed to hang out with tuba players, but they need to bring their own beer."
bloke "Baritone horn players (even saxophone and guitar players) are welcomed to hang out with tuba players, but they need to bring their own beer."
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:54 am
You know it's because T.U.B.A. is not highfalutin enough for most academics.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 12:50 pm
Mark is onto something here. It’s almost like using a tongue-in-cheek acronym like T.U.B.A lends itself to discredit the organization as “professional” amongst other professional organizations and makes it seem like it shouldn’t be taken seriously.Mark wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 11:54 am You know it's because T.U.B.A. is not highfalutin enough for most academics.
Not to mention, it’s an backronym where it makes more sense and is less confusing to spell out the acronym than to say the word. For forums, you even have to waste time with all those pesky periods or it just looks like you are shouting TUBA all the time.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 12:57 pm
This is more indicative of how sloppy and nebulous nomenclature is for musical instruments than anything else.russiantuba wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 11:29 amOn the other hand, orchestral scores and parts that we hire euphoniums for are normally labeled as “tenor tuba”. I figured you know that. So I would argue all euphoniums are tubas, but not all tubas are euphoniums.
One of the trademarks of ignorance through privilege though is assuming something to be true rather ensuring it is and broadcasting that it is. So we can pretend that T.U.B.A. Is euphonium inclusive, but we are assuming that non-members come to that conclusion naturally. Or we can ensure that it is euphonium-inclusive and broadcast that message.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 1:07 pm
If it doesn't start with an "I" then it can't possibly be of any sort of academic value.
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Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 1:37 pm
Euphoniums could have formed their own separate ones. The only cultures I know that call it euphonium are English speaking ones and maybe Japan. Lots of European countries call it a tenor tuba or Baryton. In fact, all these instruments are included in a text that was being worked on around the same time as the group T.U.B.A. was founded that is called “The Tuba Family” by Clifford Bevan.Colby Fahrenbacher wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 12:57 pm
One of the trademarks of ignorance through privilege though is assuming something to be true rather ensuring it is and broadcasting that it is. So we can pretend that T.U.B.A. Is euphonium inclusive, but we are assuming that non-members come to that conclusion naturally. Or we can ensure that it is euphonium-inclusive and broadcast that message.
So when the name changed, the actual British Baritone was making strides as an independent instrument, separate professors at UK conservatories for Baritone. Brass Band of Columbus even made a baritone CD with 4 soloists.
The name change doesn’t include baritone players, ophicleide players, cimbassists, sousaphonists, etc.
Should have called it “Society of Conical Keyed and Valved Lower Brass. SOCKVLB” or just accept that tuba is a generic term for a large amount of unique instruments under a unifying term.
Now to be called annoying.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 1:49 pm
Thanks for the dissertation Doc. You missed my point as usual, which is that the name ITEA is intrinsically more representative than T.U.B.A., even if it isn’t perfect.russiantuba wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 1:37 pmEuphoniums could have formed their own separate ones. The only cultures I know that call it euphonium are English speaking ones and maybe Japan. Lots of European countries call it a tenor tuba or Baryton. In fact, all these instruments are included in a text that was being worked on around the same time as the group T.U.B.A. was founded that is called “The Tuba Family” by Clifford Bevan.Colby Fahrenbacher wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 12:57 pm
One of the trademarks of ignorance through privilege though is assuming something to be true rather ensuring it is and broadcasting that it is. So we can pretend that T.U.B.A. Is euphonium inclusive, but we are assuming that non-members come to that conclusion naturally. Or we can ensure that it is euphonium-inclusive and broadcast that message.
So when the name changed, the actual British Baritone was making strides as an independent instrument, separate professors at UK conservatories for Baritone. Brass Band of Columbus even made a baritone CD with 4 soloists.
The name change doesn’t include baritone players, ophicleide players, cimbassists, sousaphonists, etc.
Should have called it “Society of Conical Keyed and Valved Lower Brass. SOCKVLB” or just accept that tuba is a generic term for a large amount of unique instruments under a unifying term.
Now to be called annoying.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 1:57 pm
@Colby Fahrenbacher I disagree with you. Tuba is a more inclusive name for instruments of the tuba family. ITEA just seems to put tuba (proper) and euphonium, not baritone, not helicon, not bombardons, ophicleides, and cimbassi.
If it was that major, they should have come up with one that was a euphonium one. I’d buy into both.
If it was that major, they should have come up with one that was a euphonium one. I’d buy into both.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 2:01 pm
I like the "I" thing...and it's a damn good acronym, yes?
ITSGAB
Internet Tuba/Sousaphone Gang...And Baritones
ITSGAB
Internet Tuba/Sousaphone Gang...And Baritones
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 2:06 pm
@russiantuba Cool then start one. Or keep whining about it like everyone here whines about the good ol’ days of T.U.B.A. and do nothing about. Your choice.
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 2:07 pm
Careful, use words like that and people might think it’s only for those criminal urbanists you despise so much.bloke wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 2:01 pm I like the "I" thing...and it's a damn good acronym, yes?
ITSGAB
Internet Tuba/Sousaphone Gang...And Baritones
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 2:51 pm
You sure are full of anger and hate, and are really easily triggered. 
Have you considered that it might actually be you and not "everyone else" ?
Also, you do realize that I (whom who've decided to individually target, and who never thinks about you - not ever) live rent-free in your head...(??)
You seem to nearly be an online carbon-copy of my paranoid-schizophrenic middle-aged son...
Just like him, you suddenly show up in the room, dish out crap, but then (not even tiny bit) can't take it.
I dunno whether you're 30, 40, or however old...but you're probably going to live at least two or three more decades.
Do you really want to spend them being pissed off at anything you don't agree with - as well as obsessing over it?
There are several prescription meds for this.
You might consider getting a GP to refer you to a shrink, and ask if one of the prescription meds might work for you. Good luck!
Have you considered that it might actually be you and not "everyone else" ?
Also, you do realize that I (whom who've decided to individually target, and who never thinks about you - not ever) live rent-free in your head...(??)
You seem to nearly be an online carbon-copy of my paranoid-schizophrenic middle-aged son...
Just like him, you suddenly show up in the room, dish out crap, but then (not even tiny bit) can't take it.
I dunno whether you're 30, 40, or however old...but you're probably going to live at least two or three more decades.
Do you really want to spend them being pissed off at anything you don't agree with - as well as obsessing over it?
There are several prescription meds for this.
You might consider getting a GP to refer you to a shrink, and ask if one of the prescription meds might work for you. Good luck!
Re: definition of "brotherhood"
Posted: Wed May 07, 2025 3:28 pm
Oh Lord - spare me this woke nonsense. Truly where are all these raging upset euphonium players??? Seriously I’ve never met one. I know many euph & baritone players that thought the name change was beyond stupid. How inclusive was the name change though - Did throngs of euph players suddenly join? I bet in counterpoint they saw a drop in membership. Look at this forum. It appears only a few members are also members of ITEA now and most are former members of TUBA. What does that tell you.Colby Fahrenbacher wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 12:57 pmThis is more indicative of how sloppy and nebulous nomenclature is for musical instruments than anything else.russiantuba wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 11:29 amOn the other hand, orchestral scores and parts that we hire euphoniums for are normally labeled as “tenor tuba”. I figured you know that. So I would argue all euphoniums are tubas, but not all tubas are euphoniums.
One of the trademarks of ignorance through privilege though is assuming something to be true rather ensuring it is and broadcasting that it is. So we can pretend that T.U.B.A. Is euphonium inclusive, but we are assuming that non-members come to that conclusion naturally. Or we can ensure that it is euphonium-inclusive and broadcast that message.