Weight of silver plate vs lacquer

Tubas, euphoniums, mouthpieces, and anything music-related.
Forum rules
This section is for posts that are directly related to performance, performers, or equipment. Social issues are allowed, as long as they are directly related to those categories. If you see a post that you cannot respond to with respect and courtesy, we ask that you do not respond at all.
Post Reply
User avatar
Stryk
Posts: 471
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:51 am
Has thanked: 132 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Weight of silver plate vs lacquer

Post by Stryk »

How much does the silver plate on a tuba weigh vs what the lacquer weighs? I've heard a lot of speculation, but don't remember the definitive answer.


Terry Stryker
Mirafone 186C, 186BBb, 184C, 186C clone
Gebr. Alexander New 163C, Vintage 163C, Vintage 163BBb
Amati 481C
Lyon & Healy 6/4
Kane Stealth tuba
A plethora of others....
User avatar
bort2.0
Posts: 5254
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:13 am
Location: Minneapolis
Has thanked: 336 times
Been thanked: 999 times

Re: Weight of silver plate vs lacquer

Post by bort2.0 »

My guess is that the difference is negligible.

I think my Alexander weighs about 22 pounds. I know there was a tuba weights thread a while ago, but I'm not sure if that included data about finish, age, etc.

A while back, I made a survey to collect data about tuba mouthpieces. Maybe it could be interesting to do another survey about other tuba characteristics (age, finish, weight, etc...). Maybe not... but hey, what else are we doing with our horns these days!
KingTuba1241X
Posts: 1045
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:41 am
Has thanked: 41 times
Been thanked: 80 times

Re: Weight of silver plate vs lacquer

Post by KingTuba1241X »

Stryk wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:37 am How much does the silver plate on a tuba weigh vs what the lacquer weighs? I've heard a lot of speculation, but don't remember the definitive answer.
I don't know but they sure sound different.... :popcorn: :smilie2:
06' Miraphone 187-4U
User avatar
bloke
Mid South Music
Posts: 19329
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:55 am
Location: western Tennessee - near Memphis
Has thanked: 3852 times
Been thanked: 4102 times

Re: Weight of silver plate vs lacquer

Post by bloke »

' doubt that many scales - sold in retail stores are sensitive enough to detect the difference.
"Slightly less buffing" (from one instrument to the next) could easily negate any difference.

Typical plating - these days - is about .0004"

.0006" is considered to be fairly heavy (today's standards).

.001" can begin to become problematic, and could require chasing threads, very aggressively (rather than a quick pass) polishing the insides of outside slides, considerable re-lapping (rather than "touch-ups") of pistons, etc...
User avatar
Stryk
Posts: 471
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:51 am
Has thanked: 132 times
Been thanked: 89 times

Re: Weight of silver plate vs lacquer

Post by Stryk »

bloke wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:56 am ' doubt that many scales - sold in retail stores are sensitive enough to detect the difference.

So - if/when the horn gets dings and dents, which shows the repair more? How about if the bell gets a crinkle in it, which will show the repair the most?
Terry Stryker
Mirafone 186C, 186BBb, 184C, 186C clone
Gebr. Alexander New 163C, Vintage 163C, Vintage 163BBb
Amati 481C
Lyon & Healy 6/4
Kane Stealth tuba
A plethora of others....
User avatar
bloke
Mid South Music
Posts: 19329
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:55 am
Location: western Tennessee - near Memphis
Has thanked: 3852 times
Been thanked: 4102 times

Re: Weight of silver plate vs lacquer

Post by bloke »

I satin silver plate SOME old instruments - that I have restored, because it hides surface nicks and scratches, without having to buff the crap out of those instruments to rid the instruments of those things.
Otherwise, an epoxy lacquer finish is an infinitely more practical finish than any finish than any finish which tarnishes (in my view).

Portions of lacquer finishes can be replaced. Portions of plated finishes cannot be replaced.
Post Reply