Craptastic

Tubas, euphoniums, mouthpieces, and anything music-related.
Forum rules
This section is for posts that are directly related to performance, performers, or equipment. Social issues are allowed, as long as they are directly related to those categories. If you see a post that you cannot respond to with respect and courtesy, we ask that you do not respond at all.
Post Reply
User avatar
Casca Grossa
Posts: 335
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:06 am
Location: Reading, PA, United States
Has thanked: 246 times
Been thanked: 160 times

Craptastic

Post by Casca Grossa »

I just wanted to point out that @the elephant's craptastic, unwarmed up, playing is far better than my completely warmed up and highly practiced playing. That is all.
These users thanked the author Casca Grossa for the post:
the elephant (Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:40 pm)


Mirafone 184 CC
Blokepiece Imperial
Soon to be 5 valve Lignatone/Amati Eb
Blokepiece Solo
User avatar
bort2.0
Posts: 5257
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:13 am
Location: Minneapolis
Has thanked: 336 times
Been thanked: 1000 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by bort2.0 »

Where did you hear it? I want to be brutally demoralized a d question my abilities, too!

PS, I'm craptacular. Which I think is a step below craptastic
User avatar
the elephant
Posts: 3414
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 am
Location: 404 - Not Found
Has thanked: 1907 times
Been thanked: 1351 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by the elephant »

Brian, what have you been listening to? Is this about to turn into something humiliating for me? :smilie8:
Image
User avatar
bloke
Mid South Music
Posts: 19369
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:55 am
Location: western Tennessee - near Memphis
Has thanked: 3858 times
Been thanked: 4119 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by bloke »

I’ve only heard brief live and recorded snippets of of Wade playing, but he’s a fine player, no doubt.
User avatar
Casca Grossa
Posts: 335
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:06 am
Location: Reading, PA, United States
Has thanked: 246 times
Been thanked: 160 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by Casca Grossa »

the elephant wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:41 pm Brian, what have you been listening to? Is this about to turn into something humiliating for me? :smilie8:
Your craptastic first test of bell was far from craptastic 😉
Mirafone 184 CC
Blokepiece Imperial
Soon to be 5 valve Lignatone/Amati Eb
Blokepiece Solo
User avatar
bloke
Mid South Music
Posts: 19369
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:55 am
Location: western Tennessee - near Memphis
Has thanked: 3858 times
Been thanked: 4119 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by bloke »

I believe I’ve probably heard Wade play in a recording of a quintet in Mississippi called the “Capital [Capitol?] Brass Quintet”.
I also heard him briefly toot on a 2265 that he formerly owned.
Both were quite a few years ago. I have to believe that Wade plays as well as ever, if not better than ever.
These users thanked the author bloke for the post:
Casca Grossa (Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:03 pm)
User avatar
Casca Grossa
Posts: 335
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:06 am
Location: Reading, PA, United States
Has thanked: 246 times
Been thanked: 160 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by Casca Grossa »

I received a notification on YouTube that Wade had uploaded a new video. The title included the word craptastic. I would not use that word to describe Wade’s playing.
Mirafone 184 CC
Blokepiece Imperial
Soon to be 5 valve Lignatone/Amati Eb
Blokepiece Solo
User avatar
the elephant
Posts: 3414
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 am
Location: 404 - Not Found
Has thanked: 1907 times
Been thanked: 1351 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by the elephant »

Oh… THAT. Okay. Yeah, I uploaded that months ago. I moved it to Private shortly after uploading it because it was more for me than for "listeners". The pitch is bad. It was the very first time that bell had made sounds for probably decades. This was the brat-to-hell BBb 186 that I had to braze shut all those holes and cracks (mostly in the outer branches, but also in the bell flare), and I never took the time to test it as a BBb tuba. Instead, I chopped it to CC as I restored it. I also had to replace the bell garland, which was a challenge for me for various reasons. I wanted to see how it sounded so much that I taped the tuba together with painter's tape and had to hold the leadpipe in place with my hand as I read simple vocalises. My wife walked in and decided to record one of them with no warning. It is not good playing, but for what I was doing it was very informative. And I was suffering from COVID chops pretty badly. I do not think I had touched a tuba in months when I did this, so I did not even bother to warm up because it was going to suck anyway. (For instance, there is little phrasing at all, as I was mostly looking for evenness of tone and intonation, so all the phrases are really mechanical and dry, which bugs me to listen to.)

At some point (probably not any time soon), I will get off my butt and work something up so you can hear these horns I have worked on for so long. None of them are great tubas, but I can't afford "great", so they are as good as I can manage on my salary.

Thanks for the (overly) kind words, Brian.

:cheers:
Image
User avatar
the elephant
Posts: 3414
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 am
Location: 404 - Not Found
Has thanked: 1907 times
Been thanked: 1351 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by the elephant »

Joe, the Capital Brass recording might have been this one, which I posted here (well, not here, but you know where) a few years ago. I think I had it in my signature block for a while. It is the Canadian Brass arrangement of "Lookin' Good but Feelin' Bad" (plus drum set) with a hacked-in drum solo and turnaround at the end. I am not sure when this was, but it was before I played with this group permanently. They had used a local HS Band Director for years. This is the MSO's 3rd trumpet playing 1st, the 2nd trumpet playing 2nd, the principal hornist, our bass trombonist on tenor (he is actually a euphonium player), and me, with the principal timpanist on set. The MSO BQ is the principal trumpeter, the same guy on 2nd trumpet (he is trapped on 2nd trumpet, I swear!) the 2nd hornist, the principal trombonist, and me, and no drummer. So this recording is just a different mix of my MSO colleagues. I am fortunate to play with them. (This was played on my Yamaha YFB-621, by the way, and we were doing a recital in Birmingham. This might be from around 2002 or 2003.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bo2wduuwc3a41 ... %20Bad.m4a
These users thanked the author the elephant for the post (total 5):
bloke (Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:07 pm) • Mary Ann (Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:36 pm) • hrender (Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:54 am) • djwpe (Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:00 am) • jtm (Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:51 am)
Image
User avatar
bloke
Mid South Music
Posts: 19369
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:55 am
Location: western Tennessee - near Memphis
Has thanked: 3858 times
Been thanked: 4119 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by bloke »

yeah… that’s lovely, and tasty.
User avatar
the elephant
Posts: 3414
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 am
Location: 404 - Not Found
Has thanked: 1907 times
Been thanked: 1351 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by the elephant »

Bob, the MSO 3rd trumpeter (1st in this quintet recording), can *really* play that style well. As I said, I have been fortunate to play with these folks for my job these last 29 years.
Image
User avatar
Mary Ann
Posts: 3038
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:24 am
Has thanked: 521 times
Been thanked: 598 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by Mary Ann »

I would find it hard to believe that Wade is "crap-anything" at anything he set his mind to.
And that is a fine horn player in that recording too....I know how hard that was.
These users thanked the author Mary Ann for the post:
the elephant (Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:40 pm)
User avatar
the elephant
Posts: 3414
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 am
Location: 404 - Not Found
Has thanked: 1907 times
Been thanked: 1351 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by the elephant »

Aw, thanks, MA! And here's a big hug for your kindness…

Image
These users thanked the author the elephant for the post:
Mary Ann (Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:59 am)
Image
User avatar
Casca Grossa
Posts: 335
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:06 am
Location: Reading, PA, United States
Has thanked: 246 times
Been thanked: 160 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by Casca Grossa »

the elephant wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:38 pm Oh… THAT. Okay. Yeah, I uploaded that months ago. I moved it to Private shortly after uploading it because it was more for me than for "listeners". The pitch is bad. It was the very first time that bell had made sounds for probably decades. This was the brat-to-hell BBb 186 that I had to braze shut all those holes and cracks (mostly in the outer branches, but also in the bell flare), and I never took the time to test it as a BBb tuba. Instead, I chopped it to CC as I restored it. I also had to replace the bell garland, which was a challenge for me for various reasons. I wanted to see how it sounded so much that I taped the tuba together with painter's tape and had to hold the leadpipe in place with my hand as I read simple vocalises. My wife walked in and decided to record one of them with no warning. It is not good playing, but for what I was doing it was very informative. And I was suffering from COVID chops pretty badly. I do not think I had touched a tuba in months when I did this, so I did not even bother to warm up because it was going to suck anyway. (For instance, there is little phrasing at all, as I was mostly looking for evenness of tone and intonation, so all the phrases are really mechanical and dry, which bugs me to listen to.)

At some point (probably not any time soon), I will get off my butt and work something up so you can hear these horns I have worked on for so long. None of them are great tubas, but I can't afford "great", so they are as good as I can manage on my salary.

Thanks for the (overly) kind words, Brian.

:cheers:
I didn't expect my comment to cause such a stir. I just found it funny how you described it on the video. I got a notification yesterday about a new video and hadn't watched it until today. I did not realize it was an old video and assumed you would have thought it was funny considering my feed said it was posted yesterday. So for anyone who thought I was calling Wade's playing "craptastic", I was only using his own description against him. In no circumstance would I criticize his playing ability. I was commenting from the perspective that I wished I sounded like that on a good day, as opposed to Wade thinking he sounded craptastic. I will be adding craptastic to my favorite words list along with blatt weasel. Carry on.
Mirafone 184 CC
Blokepiece Imperial
Soon to be 5 valve Lignatone/Amati Eb
Blokepiece Solo
User avatar
the elephant
Posts: 3414
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:39 am
Location: 404 - Not Found
Has thanked: 1907 times
Been thanked: 1351 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by the elephant »

Oh, no, no, no… no such thought was thunk, sir. Your words were very kind. The title is one of my favorite words, along with craptacular, which is even more craptastic than craptastic. And Denis Gray's "blat weasel". (I miss old tooter. RIP.)
Image
User avatar
bloke
Mid South Music
Posts: 19369
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:55 am
Location: western Tennessee - near Memphis
Has thanked: 3858 times
Been thanked: 4119 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by bloke »

Stuff that is really old - and also really crummy - is craptiological.
These users thanked the author bloke for the post:
the elephant (Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:49 am)
User avatar
Doc
Posts: 2472
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:48 am
Location: Downtown Browntown
Has thanked: 846 times
Been thanked: 767 times
Contact:

Re: Craptastic

Post by Doc »

Apparently, I am not privy to this non-craptastic material... or maybe I' haven't been paying attention?
Welcome to Browntown!
Home of the Brown Note!
User avatar
Doc
Posts: 2472
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:48 am
Location: Downtown Browntown
Has thanked: 846 times
Been thanked: 767 times
Contact:

Re: Craptastic

Post by Doc »

the elephant wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:54 pm Joe, the Capital Brass recording might have been this one, which I posted here (well, not here, but you know where) a few years ago. I think I had it in my signature block for a while. It is the Canadian Brass arrangement of "Lookin' Good but Feelin' Bad" (plus drum set) with a hacked-in drum solo and turnaround at the end. I am not sure when this was, but it was before I played with this group permanently. They had used a local HS Band Director for years. This is the MSO's 3rd trumpet playing 1st, the 2nd trumpet playing 2nd, the principal hornist, our bass trombonist on tenor (he is actually a euphonium player), and me, with the principal timpanist on set. The MSO BQ is the principal trumpeter, the same guy on 2nd trumpet (he is trapped on 2nd trumpet, I swear!) the 2nd hornist, the principal trombonist, and me, and no drummer. So this recording is just a different mix of my MSO colleagues. I am fortunate to play with them. (This was played on my Yamaha YFB-621, by the way, and we were doing a recital in Birmingham. This might be from around 2002 or 2003.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bo2wduuwc3a41 ... %20Bad.m4a
SWEET! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'd love to hear more of this group.
These users thanked the author Doc for the post:
Three Valves (Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:13 am)
Welcome to Browntown!
Home of the Brown Note!
prairieboy1
Posts: 484
Joined: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:37 pm
Has thanked: 441 times
Been thanked: 148 times

Re: Craptastic

Post by prairieboy1 »

Wonderful playing!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
1916 Holton "Mammoth" 3 valve BBb Upright Bell Tuba
1935 King "Symphony" Bass 3 valve BBb Tuba
1998 King "2341" 4 valve BBb Tuba
1970 Yamaha "321" 4 valve BBb Tuba (Yard Goat)
Post Reply