A piece of music history. Moritz Style F-Tuba and Keyed Bugle

Kontrabasstuba · Post by **Kontrabasstuba** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:44 am

A piece of music history!
Yankee Doodle with a keyed Bugel (1830/1840) and a Moritz Style F tuba (1850)

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:53 am

Very nice!

bort2.0 · Post by **bort2.0** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:14 pm

YEAH!!! That was great!!

Stryk · Post by **Stryk** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:38 pm

Love it!

Jperry1466 · Post by **Jperry1466** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:45 pm

NIce!

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:35 pm

I’ve always wanted to hear a Moritz-style F tuba played by an expert, and this was great. Thanks! Was the mouthpiece typical F-tuba size or smaller?

Rick “how do you remember these weird valve combinations?” Denney

Kontrabasstuba · Post by **Kontrabasstuba** » Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:28 am

Rick Denney wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:35 pm I’ve always wanted to hear a Moritz-style F tuba played by an expert, and this was great. Thanks! Was the mouthpiece typical F-tuba size or smaller?

Rick “how do you remember these weird valve combinations?” Denney

I use a very flat mouthpiece. Not too big.

bloke · Post by **bloke** » Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:54 am

sarcastic question - gently poking fun at some of the corporate mentality here:

When are you going to reconfigure those valves, so the fingering patterns line up with those on your other instruments?

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to get some people here thinking a little bit differently:

For those of you who are both accomplished keyboard typists as well as being very fast two-thumbs texters (with your phones), how do you manage to do both of those things?
… and for those of you who play the bassoon, clarinet, and saxophone: How do you possibly manage that? …or - to those of you who play both bluegrass guitar and fiddle: How can you possibly do both of those things? … and what about those of you who speak multiple languages, and also those of you who program via various types of computer programming languages?

DonO. · Post by **DonO.** » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:33 am

I was aware if the existence of keyed bugles, but I never heard one played well. I have to admit the tone quality sounds much much better than I was expecting. After all it’s a “holey” brass instrument. So I was expecting a tone more like playing with the spit valve open. Something more like when the little people perform “Me and My Shadow” for Napoleon in “Time Bandits”. I don’t know how to post a link to the video of that. Maybe someone could do that? There’s a keyed bugle in Napoleon’s “band”.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:32 pm

Kontrabasstuba · Post by **Kontrabasstuba** » Sun Feb 06, 2022 2:23 pm

bloke wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:54 am sarcastic question - gently poking fun at some of the corporate mentality here:

When are you going to reconfigure those valves, so the fingering patterns line up with those on your other instruments?

——————————
to get some people here thinking a little bit differently:

For those of you who are both accomplished keyboard typists as well as being very fast two-thumbs texters (with your phones), how do you manage to do both of those things?
… and for those of you who play the bassoon, clarinet, and saxophone: How do you possibly manage that? …or - to those of you who play both bluegrass guitar and fiddle: How can you possibly do both of those things? … and what about those of you who speak multiple languages, and also those of you who program via various types of computer programming languages?

Good question. EVERY Tuba has a complete different system. It's quite tricky, but after a few minutes I'm back on the instrument. I like it to work with the Tubas...

DonO. · Post by **DonO.** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:46 am

Yes! Thank you bisontuba! THAT is what I always thought a keyed bugle sounded like. And also, I can’t see it, but there’s something playing in that band that sounds to my ears suspiciously like a serpent. So, based on nothing more than that movie, I always thought lip-reed instruments with holes instead of valves sounded like passing gas. The fellow playing the keyed bugle in the opening post certainly changed my tune on that! Apparently, they can be made to sound quite good!

bloke · Post by **bloke** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:56 am

The problem with most demonstrations of obsolete instruments is that they are done by musicologists - rather than by musicians.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:23 am

bloke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:56 am The problem with most demonstrations of obsolete instruments is that they are done by musicologists - rather than by musicians.

That is why the Doug Yeo recordings of, among other items, of ophicleide ensembles are so refreshing.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:55 pm

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:46 pm

humBell · Post by **humBell** » Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:41 pm

bisontuba wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:32 pm

"You stick with these men, and you'll have a great future!"

A favorite movie. All the happier to hear they got authentic period instruments!

scottw · Post by **scottw** » Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:30 pm

Excellent stuff!
I've been lucky to have heard Jeff Stockham play keyed bugle on 2 occasions and it was a treat to hear such a beastly instrument come alive. I strongly recommend going to this link for more on Excelsior and Jeff.
https://www.excelsiorcornetband.com/Exc ... /Home.html

tofu · Post by **tofu** » Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:36 pm

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