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warning: probably boring - because it’s not about instruments, mouthpieces or bags

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I’ve messed around with really big B-flat rotary “kaiser” tubas in the past…but not very much.

Fairly consistently, they offered pretty challenging intonation which presents quite a distraction (at least, to me). It’s really difficult to not dwell on slide choreography, when so much of it is required (again, with most other of the “kaiser“ instruments).

Some of them, though, really offered that “deep bass“ sound, but not throughout the entire range of those instruments.

As is known, I recently (assuming I am to be believed) picked up one that is easy to play in tune, and offers that luxurious sound throughout the instrument’s entire range.

I still plan to do a few little things to it, but it’s already an extraordinary instrument, and – though I do have to concentrate – I don’t have to fight the instrument to play it. Rather than fighting it, I just have to “step up to the plate” (as it were).

I will say that this type of instrument is the most challenging to play of all the types of tubas, and certainly more so than the typical 19mm bore piston C big fat tubas. It is not forgiving, when it comes to the signal sent into it - through the mouthpiece. If the lip vibration frequency is slightly off, neither the sound nor the slur are going to present themselves nicely out the bell of the instrument. To be specific, that chalk on a blackboard ear-grating “b-g-g-g-g” thing happens – that thing that we thought we had conquered decades ago… 🙄

… but when I manage to get past the B-flat fingerings and concentrate on what the next measure is supposed to SOUND like and concentrate on having the lips vibrate - as if trained vocal cords - precisely on those pitches, this thing sure puts out a nice product - a type of sound that can turn heads. I could bring back the old joke about the “world class sound”, but this thing will actually deliver such a thing, if I - it’s operator - stay on my toes and sustain the required level of concentration.

Again, it’s more work to play than any other tuba I’ve ever decided to keep for myself, but it’s the first one where “me absolutely having to stay constantly on my toes with my lip vibration frequency and intensity” is completely worth it, due to what this instrument delivers… and it is the instrument that delivers the sound, and not me. I’m just making fart sounds into the small end of it… they just have to be nearly-perfect fart sounds.
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Re: warning: probably boring - because it’s not about instruments or mouthpieces or bags

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Do you find that you have to just chill out and relax a bit more than usual?

On my Rudy, I've learned that the tuba usually doesn't need a whole lot from me to make a big, fat, comfortable sound. If I want "medium" but push a little too much (because most tubas need a little more attention to sound."big," especially when not super loud, and Im used to that), the tuba is like "nuh uh, sucka!" I gotta chill out a little more than I think I do.
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Relax, concentrate, and breathe very deeply - quite often - all at the same time…

… if but if my lips are buzzing an E-flat (or whatever) ten cents sharp, the tuba isn’t going to accept that, and neither is the tuba going to coax my lips vibration down ten cents, as some other tubas will tend to do.
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bloke wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 9:08 pm Relax, concentrate, and breathe very deeply - quite often - all at the same time…

… if but if my lips are buzzing an E-flat (or whatever) ten cents sharp, the tuba isn’t going to accept that, and neither is the tuba going to coax my lips vibration down ten cents, as some other tubas will tend to do.
Is that the flip side of being "responsive"? A tuba that coerces the wrong input to be in the slot anyway is a tuba that has more lag before the note speaks properly.
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This practicing trick actually seems to be working!
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