It only took a few years to do this 15-minute cimbasso upgrade

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It only took a few years to do this 15-minute cimbasso upgrade

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I could have sworn that I documented this cimbasso build on this website...(??)
Someone monitor find it and paste THIS post on to the end...(or not).

I have been an incredible procrastinator regarding spending fifteen minutes and building a #2 slide stop.

I tend to use this trigger on gigs, because most gigs are guitar/violin-key gigs (featuring generous quantities of F♯s and B♮s)...but (truth be told) those pitches BOTH tune up pretty darn well with the ol' 5-2-3, and the MOST benefit of this trigger is to play the nasty-ol' 5-2-3-4 (stinky sharp) "low G".

Anyway...I'm tired of having to be too careful, there's a new guest 2nd trombonist (particularly fine player) on-board this weekend, and I just don't want to risk (well...) looking like the DOLT that I am, and having the #2 slide fly all the way out.

There-there bloke...
...Now, that wasn't so bad, was it? ...You'll find a way to make up that fifteen minutes of goofing off SOMEHOW/SOMEWHERE... :smilie6:

NORMALLY: left-hand thumb-operated (when actually held in playing position)

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Sadly (for the Nation), NASA never caught wind of my boundless mechanical genius. We surely would have colonized Neptune, by now. 😐


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Re: It only took a few years to do this 15-minute cimbasso upgrade

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Better than colonizing Uranus
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matt g wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:13 pm Better than colonizing Uranus
I set ‘em up; you knock ‘em down. 😐

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1. This not-sharp-because-I-can-now-DO-something-about-it "low G" is making me giggle.

2. "The Magnificent Seven Suite" (LOTS of low stuff in the different-valve-combinations range) is HARD on cimbasso - particularly as it's 5-valves-plus-a-trigger, instead of (that to which I'm accustomed in F) six valves.
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bloke wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:15 pm
matt g wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:13 pm Better than colonizing Uranus
I set ‘em up; you knock ‘em down. 😐

EDIT:

1. This not-sharp-because-I-can-now-DO-something-about-it "low G" is making me giggle.

2. "The Magnificent Seven Suite" (LOTS of low stuff in the different-valve-combinations range) is HARD on cimbasso - particularly as it's 5-valves-plus-a-trigger, instead of (that to which I'm accustomed in F) six valves.
One of the DC players on the other forum mentioned playing a 4 valve comp Eb, a 4 valve non comp Eb, a 5 valve Eb and a 3+1 comp Eb. Even thinking about it gives me brain fog.
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I think I might like the cimbasso "barky" resonance on the "Magnificent Seven" piece, but a "big resonant" (Fa'Ba") tuba (as long as the player's attacks - per typical tubaistes - don't lag).
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I really do need to go ahead and shine up the lower portion of this thing and shoot lacquer on it...

This water key guide (after that #2 slide stop) was the last little detail I have been delaying installing (stupid: because it took me two minutes to find four of them, thirty more seconds to pick out the best one, and ten minutes to align/install it).

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Now that’s a REAL water key!
Some old Yorks, Martins, and perhaps a King rotary valved CC
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York-aholic wrote: Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:27 am Now that’s a REAL water key!


It collects water pretty quickly, and it would be an ordeal to reach way down and press a three-inch lever.
That one comes all the way up to where my left hand can reach it without even moving the instrument - quite high. The straight part going up is over a foot long.
Sometime, I might make a similar one for the #4 slide down there, but it doesn’t collect water as quickly.
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@cjk

> I was able to locate this gadget - on this particular (smaller) instrument precisely where my left hand (thumb, etc.) supports the instrument.
> Serendipitously - unlike FaBast, this instrument does not require any #1 slide manipulation - in order to execute good intonation.
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bloke wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:49 pm @cjk

> I was able to locate this gadget - on this particular (smaller) instrument precisely where my left hand (thumb, etc.) supports the instrument.
> Serendipitously - unlike FaBast, this instrument does not require any #1 slide manipulation - in order to execute good intonation.
2nd valve triggers are almost always cjk approved. :thumbsup:

My big RM has one note where I want to move the first valve slide so I do understand the struggle. :)
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The big 98 asks for the first slide to mostly be between 1 and 1-3/4 inches out (the farthest out being C, which I choose to play with 1-3)…
… but fifth partial C and B natural need that slide all the way in.

Luckily, open D is right up to pitch, so no typical/inconvenient sixth partial fingerings.

back to the original topic:
Being redundant, the tuba rarely plays any type of solo in a symphony orchestra. I receive my gratification from nice ringing in-tune chords, which is why I’m so interested in not having to favor (nor certainly not compromise) the tuning of any pitches.
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