Before/After: 100+ year old German/Czech silver tuba tarnish removal

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Before/After: 100+ year old German/Czech silver tuba tarnish removal

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I have been working on fixing up this little 14" bell BBb tuba. When I picked it up it was described to me as "an old rattletrap" but it is quite the player! Czech/German, probably about 100 years old, great compression, clocksprings work excellently, overall a really nice little tuba.

Until I picked it up, this tuba had been in storage since the 80s and developed a very thick layer of dark black tarnish. The inside was coated in lime. Using some rubber stoppers, a brush and cleaning vinegar, I was able to clean it out pretty well. I soaked and cleaned the rotors and removed the slides and polished them up separately. So, the next order of business was to get the body of the tuba looking a bit better.

Supplies: Tarn-X, Tarni-Shield, some cotton cloth strips, a towel, rubber gloves, a kitchen sponge, access to the water hose outside.

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Yes, the lead pipe is spray-painted silver. It is copper underneath. I removed the paint best I could with what I had available.

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I put the Tarn-X in a spray bottle and generously covered the tuba with it, approximately one segment at a time (i.e., bell, then branches, then guts, etc.) I used an old cotton sheet that I cut into rags to wipe off the tarnish after the Tarn-X went to work. I attempted this with a kitchen sponge as well but found that it didn't really matter. (NOTE: do NOT use the green scrubby side of a kitchen sponge!) It took many applications of Tarn-X to eat into this heavy tarnish.

Eventually, I ran out of Tarn-X but had quite a bit of the tarnish removed, so I decided to go ahead and use the Tarni-Shield to get it polished up (since Tarn-X just removes tarnish and does not polish). There are some spots on the inside of the tuba that didn't get quite as nice as I would like; I will touch it up next week after I get a new bottle of Tarn-X in the mail.

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The Tarni-Shield did really well. I just applied it on a soft cotton rag and started polishing. Not perfect, but much better than it was!
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No matter the product it always comes down to elbow grease in such bad cases. Excellent work, sir! Bravo…

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And the mechanism for adjusting spring tension is my favorite.

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I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the clock springs. As long as they don't break, I'll be happy keeping them like that for a while. The entire piece they are mounted on is a very heavy piece of ornate silver, but I wasn't able to de-tarnish the entire valve machine. Hopefully once my new bottle comes in, I can get to it this weekend.
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Finally got around to finishing this up! It's about as good as I care to get it without doing super tedious work in the small nooks and crannies of the clocksprings, so I am calling it quits at this point. I am taking it to rehearsal tomorrow; it sounds great!

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I love that super custom, hand bent main tuning slide! The copper lead pipe looks pretty custom too. Cool horn!

The snowblower isn’t bad either.
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York-aholic wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:47 pm I love that super custom, hand bent main tuning slide! The copper lead pipe looks pretty custom too. Cool horn!

The snowblower isn’t bad either.
The snowblower was $50 at an estate sale. They said it wouldn't start. I drained the old bad gas, put in a new sparkplug, changed the oil, and cut and installed a new fuel line to replace the dry rotted one. It's probably 30 years old and works great! We had probably 3-4 feet of snow last winter so it definitely saw some use.

As for the tuba: the copper lead pipe was hand-bent and installed by the previous owner. It's a bit of a jury-rig but it works great. I am guessing it is maybe a hair too large on the receiver end. I'd love to get a pre-bent nickel silver one for it.

And you can see my current solution for the lack of a flat spring for the water key... :teeth:

The main tuning slide makes me wonder if this was a high-to-low pitch conversion or similar. I'd love to find out more info on it, but there's no maker or engraving.
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That looks great! It's good inspiration for me to get to work on some tarnished horns I've got here...

Well done!
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Thanks @Tubajug! It was definitely a lot of work to get looking decent!

I played it in rehearsal tonight. I was duly impressed with the intonation: 1st valve C in the staff is in tune. No saggy 5th partials, although I was lipping down a bit for F below the staff.

Great little tuba!
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York-aholic wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:47 pm I love that super custom, hand bent main tuning slide!
It almost looks like they said "Well, we need X more inches of tubing. Just bend into something that won't stick out too much." Very cool indeed!
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I think that is exactly what happened.
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Tubajug wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:00 pm It almost looks like they said "Well, we need X more inches of tubing. Just bend into something that won't stick out too much." Very cool indeed!
Probably something closer to "Mein Gott, wir brauchen noch 'X' Zentimeter Schlauch!"
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Post by Heavy_Metal »

My Alex BBb has the same clockspring setup. You can really fine-tune the springs with it.

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