When I first received my used model 98 tuba, there was lime/scale in it.
I immediately did (as most of you cannot without taking it somewhere) an acid/chemical cleaning. (btw...a "good bath in the tub" does virtually no good, but I'm tired of saying this, so I don't say it as often anymore, and please consider this as an aside, and NOT the main topic of this post).
The (rotary) valves - of course - worked MUCH better, but (just as with all of my other instruments) I VERY thoroughly/heavily oil the valves (and allow the oil to slosh around to adjacent circuits as well - as oily surfaces will not attract lime/scale) prior to each playing, as well as moderately oiling them afterward. I've also stated that I use very inexpensive thin oil (purchased in gallon containers) in order for this routine to not become financial burden on myself.
OK...The rotors - on this instrument - have become better/Better/BETTER - as oiling articulating surfaces helps burnish those surfaces, and aids those surfaces in conforming to each other.
I'm also tired of stating/implying this, but I can never help but wonder (re: those who talk about this/that/the-other make of friggin' $4/oz. oil helping valves, as well as those who claim that pistons/rotors are preferred by them over rotors/pistons) how mediocre the valve action must be (compared to what it potentially could be) on so very many tubas (from $2500 tubas to $25000 tubas, and from scuffling amateurs to tuba-community-recognized professionals). Indeed - when I work on tubas NOT brought to me for "valve cleaning" - I rarely am impressed with the valve action on others' tubas.
bloke "just sayin'...yet again..."
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Re: oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling
I have a workshop out back. It is heated with a wood stove, so I don't always keep it warm out there unless I'm working for a long period over a weekend.
I noticed that my gallon jug of lamp oil froze when it was down to c. ~10 degrees around here a few weeks ago.
Any experience with frozen/thawed lamp oil? I dunno if it impacts its effectiveness. Still seems fine.
It's old lamp oil, too. I probably got it 8 or 10 years ago. Might be time to get a new jug.
I noticed that my gallon jug of lamp oil froze when it was down to c. ~10 degrees around here a few weeks ago.
Any experience with frozen/thawed lamp oil? I dunno if it impacts its effectiveness. Still seems fine.
It's old lamp oil, too. I probably got it 8 or 10 years ago. Might be time to get a new jug.
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Re: oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling
sidebar, already:
About the coldest it ever gets here is c. 0 F (outdoors), so I've not dealt with that, and I can't say as I've ever shown up and played any -0 F. gigs. (Bitter-cold tuba-xmases - for me, and as important as I believe it is to connect with local tuba-folk - are nonstarters. Such outdoor experiences - for me - are limited to human/mechanical emergencies and firewood-gathering.)
Any several-years-old lamp oil that I've come in contact with (in stores or occasionally encountered at yard sales or gifted to me) was semi-putrid - aka: smelly, and I've only used SMELLY lamp oil in LAMPS (power outages). The reason that I buy it online (rather than off brick-and-mortar shelves, and in addition to the pricing being lower) is because I suspect that not many people shop it from the "candle aisle" of Walmart/Walgreens, and that walk-in-store stuff is probably fairly old. All that I've ever bought online has been fresh (odorless).
my workshop: It's quite well insulated (thanks, previous owner ). When it dropped down to -1 F. here (a few weeks ago), it was still c. thirty-something in that shop. You might (??) check into the cost of that, if - for no other reason - so that your shop heats up more quickly (particularly as you live "up there"). If the construction of your shed is "barn-style" (no 16" center studs) - and you don't want to purchase sheet rock, OSB or lumber, you can probably hold backed fiberglass insulation in with (run horizontally) that same plastic material that HVAC people staple in attics/crawl spaces to hang flex-duct...or (perhaps better...??) that orange plastic temporary fence material (I used this under my house to make certain that between-joists insulation doesn't fall).
arpthark wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:09 am I have a workshop out back. It is heated with a wood stove, so I don't always keep it warm out there unless I'm working for a long period over a weekend.
I noticed that my gallon jug of lamp oil froze when it was down to c. ~10 degrees around here a few weeks ago.
Any experience with frozen/thawed lamp oil? I dunno if it impacts its effectiveness. Still seems fine.
It's old lamp oil, too. I probably got it 8 or 10 years ago. Might be time to get a new jug.
About the coldest it ever gets here is c. 0 F (outdoors), so I've not dealt with that, and I can't say as I've ever shown up and played any -0 F. gigs. (Bitter-cold tuba-xmases - for me, and as important as I believe it is to connect with local tuba-folk - are nonstarters. Such outdoor experiences - for me - are limited to human/mechanical emergencies and firewood-gathering.)
Any several-years-old lamp oil that I've come in contact with (in stores or occasionally encountered at yard sales or gifted to me) was semi-putrid - aka: smelly, and I've only used SMELLY lamp oil in LAMPS (power outages). The reason that I buy it online (rather than off brick-and-mortar shelves, and in addition to the pricing being lower) is because I suspect that not many people shop it from the "candle aisle" of Walmart/Walgreens, and that walk-in-store stuff is probably fairly old. All that I've ever bought online has been fresh (odorless).
my workshop: It's quite well insulated (thanks, previous owner ). When it dropped down to -1 F. here (a few weeks ago), it was still c. thirty-something in that shop. You might (??) check into the cost of that, if - for no other reason - so that your shop heats up more quickly (particularly as you live "up there"). If the construction of your shed is "barn-style" (no 16" center studs) - and you don't want to purchase sheet rock, OSB or lumber, you can probably hold backed fiberglass insulation in with (run horizontally) that same plastic material that HVAC people staple in attics/crawl spaces to hang flex-duct...or (perhaps better...??) that orange plastic temporary fence material (I used this under my house to make certain that between-joists insulation doesn't fall).
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It's a small barn / workshop / garage from the 1880s or thereabouts. (It also contains a two-seater outhouse stall.) At least the inside is lined with thick black plastic over the boards, to prevent wind getting in. It gets downright toasty with the wood stove, but I don't always want to start a fire every time I pop out to do a 20 minute thing. Might see what I can do with insulation as a future project.
My oil doesn't SEEM putrid, thankfully, but it might be time to get some fresh anyway.
My oil doesn't SEEM putrid, thankfully, but it might be time to get some fresh anyway.
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I'm just referring to that petroleum odor that eventually arises (ie. the last dictionary definition of "putrid")...and not any sort of rotting scent.
The same thing happens with old gasoline, though the decayed gasoline odor is tremendously more offensive.
The same thing happens with old gasoline, though the decayed gasoline odor is tremendously more offensive.
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Your oil froze? You need a lubricant for your lubricant.
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Re: oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling
I would expect most oil's aroma to come from the mixture of hydrocarbons. Short chains, cyclics - smelly; long chains stay liquid (or solid), so no smell.
The lamp oil I've found in US hardware stores, I believe always Lamplight Ultra-Pure, is distilled C5-C20 hydrocarbons. I have never detected the faintest odor. Supposedly will freeze at 32°F ... so says the MSDS.
I couldn't find it recently and bought some tiki torch oil; it was smelly and gave me a headache just from using it on valves.
The lamp oil I've found in US hardware stores, I believe always Lamplight Ultra-Pure, is distilled C5-C20 hydrocarbons. I have never detected the faintest odor. Supposedly will freeze at 32°F ... so says the MSDS.
I couldn't find it recently and bought some tiki torch oil; it was smelly and gave me a headache just from using it on valves.
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Re: oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling - oiling
It's apparent that someone's local store has regular customers for their lamp oil.
Good for them.
Good for them.