Is this a Kaiser horn?

[BopEuph]

This looks like a fun horn!

I don't know about y'all, but eBay regularly does this stupid "access denied" page to apparently curb bots, but it gives a TON of false positives. So I'll put a screenshot here so you can click the link if you don't want to risk being marked as a bot while browsing something you're not interested in.





https://www.ebay.com/itm/134741081256?h ... R_7f3cbbYg

[jtm]

Just looking at it gives me a pain in the leg.

[BopEuph]

Yep, that garland, or whatever you'd call it, has to go.

[arpthark]

Yep, that garland, or whatever you'd call it, has to go.

"Keel"!

I don't think this is a "Kaisertuba" proper. Looks about the size of a Miraphone 186 or Cerveny 686, maybe a hair bigger. Probably made by Cerveny.

Clicking through the pics, it has some pretty gnarly bell damage.

[hrender]

Size of the horn is approx. 41inch/104cm. The length of the tubing is approx. 600 (!) cm (244Inch! )The bell meassures 17inch/43 cm

"Kaiser" is an unspecific designation. Size-wise it's smaller than some/most "kaiser" basses and is closer to a typical contrabass of that period. My Cerveny has a similarly sized bell but is approximately 6 inches taller (118cm is the catalog height). See here.

[BopEuph]

Clicking through the pics, it has some pretty gnarly bell damage.

Oh, I missed the bell damage! Not interested in the horn myself, but I'd probably have bought it 10 years ago. So I didn't click through all the pics.

[Tubajug]

Clicking through the pics, it has some pretty gnarly bell damage.

Oh, I missed the bell damage! Not interested in the horn myself, but I'd probably have bought it 10 years ago. So I didn't click through all the pics.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gnarly" bell damage. It's got a few creases and pings, but nothing that looks too bad. When I hear something like "gnarly" I think of something like this:

[arpthark]

Clicking through the pics, it has some pretty gnarly bell damage.

Oh, I missed the bell damage! Not interested in the horn myself, but I'd probably have bought it 10 years ago. So I didn't click through all the pics.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gnarly" bell damage. It's got a few creases and pings, but nothing that looks too bad. When I hear something like "gnarly" I think of something like this:

You're right, I must be going crazy. I saw another tuba on eBay that looked just like that and had significant bell damage and terrible solder. I think it was even the same importer stamped on the bell.

[donn]

You're right, I must be going crazy. I saw another tuba on eBay that looked just like that and had significant bell damage and terrible solder. I think it was even the same importer stamped on the bell.

Bb "Franz Michl Graslitz Böhmen" ?



The old tuba this guy has that has been sitting there longer than I would have expected, is a cute little 5V Lidl Brno

[BopEuph]

The old tuba this guy has that has been sitting there longer than I would have expected, is a cute little 5V Lidl Brno

Holy jeez. When I was in the market for a BBb, I would have scooped this guy up so fast.

[hrender]

[bloke]

The smaller the BORE of the valveset appears in a picture of a suspected-to-be-large tuba, the more likely the tuba is to be quite large.

[sugawi]

The smaller the BORE of the valveset appears in a picture of a suspected-to-be-large tuba, the more likely the tuba is to be quite large.

Would it also work other way around? If a not so large on appearance tuba would have large bore, say 21 mm or larger would that classify it as Kaiser?

[donn]

I'd guess you won't really perceive that 21mm bore size in the photo, so much. What the photo shows you is the entire valve assembly, which is the part that's a somewhat reliable scale clue, because it's sized to hands.

This Miraphone 190 BBb had a valve bore in that range, and to my eye the valves look small relative to the tuba. Not a great illustration because size looks different on shiny things, but it's what was laying around, and it's a fairly big tuba.

[arpthark]

Clicking through the pics, it has some pretty gnarly bell damage.

Oh, I missed the bell damage! Not interested in the horn myself, but I'd probably have bought it 10 years ago. So I didn't click through all the pics.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "gnarly" bell damage. It's got a few creases and pings, but nothing that looks too bad. When I hear something like "gnarly" I think of something like this:

Actually, I'm not crazy. If you click through the description of the eBay ad in the original post, you will see pics of a completely different horn with a lot of issues.

[Tubajug]

Oh wow, yeah! That's very odd...

[arpthark]

This has been relisted with the correct pics now:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134754836158?m ... media=COPY

[BopEuph]

Holy jeez. That's a huge difference, and I'd be super pissed if I got the horn expecting the first pic.

[donn]

Sure, but to be fair, it seemed to me that all the other pictures were the beater, so that be a pretty careless purchaser.

[BopEuph]

Good point. I am mildly interested in a couple of the seller's 4v baritones (but I don't know if I want to blow money on those ancient stencil horns), and I'd definitely be much more discerning now before purchasing one, if I did.