"Blessing USA" euphoniums
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"Blessing USA" euphoniums
Anybody got any info on this? Who made these? Seems like NS outer slide tubes...?
I know some of the old Blessing marching euphs used Bauerfeind valves.
I know some of the old Blessing marching euphs used Bauerfeind valves.
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Re: "Blessing USA" euphoniums
a combo of Elkhart and German (Bauerfeind) parts
imo, Elkhart braces were under-engineered, but - when they are used as basketballs (ref: pics) - what difference does it make?
imo, Elkhart braces were under-engineered, but - when they are used as basketballs (ref: pics) - what difference does it make?
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Re: "Blessing USA" euphoniums
Thanks, edited Swiss to German in my post. Confused Bauerfeind with Kurath/Willson.
So essentially, a Conn euph body plus a Bauerfeind valveset?
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Re: "Blessing USA" euphoniums
I dunno about Conn anything-in-particular.
Blessing was perfectly capable of fabricating euphonium body parts...
...and nothing Conn has been built in Elkhart since around 1970.
Blessing was perfectly capable of fabricating euphonium body parts...
...and nothing Conn has been built in Elkhart since around 1970.
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Re: "Blessing USA" euphoniums
Hmm. I assumed Blessing was sort of a stencil brand. So they actually made their own stuff, then.
I bought the pictured euph at an auction for $10; just trying to figure out what exactly it is!
I bought the pictured euph at an auction for $10; just trying to figure out what exactly it is!
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Re: "Blessing USA" euphoniums
Merle Johnson (2nd-to-last president of the company) married one of the Blessing daughters, and that retail store/repair shop place (totally separate from the Blessing factory) may (??) have been owned by another sibling. I shouldn't type this, but I'm thinking the grandfather's/founder's name was Emil K. or something, and that he started out in the manufacturing business building valvesets for Conn and possibly off-site. I'm not sure if any of what I just typed is correct...?
Randy Johnson was the last president, and - when they had tough economic times - I believe he possibly didn't have the (lack of) heart to fire anybody. That may be why they eventually had to go out of business and sell their name to St Louis Music Supply. I'm pretty sure the Blessing instruments are now made by Jinbao (or some such..??), and are not even the same tooling.
Blessing would make instruments for other places and would put plenty of stencil names on them. I believe Buescher used to sell instruments to Sears (regular and "Wish Book" catalog listings), but Blessing took that over, because they were cheaper priced, and particularly as Buescher had been bought by Selmer USA. The "Olds" connection was the fact that this mail order place up in New Jersey called N.E.M.C. bought the Olds name (after Selmer USA bought what they wanted of the Olds tooling). N.E.M.C. bought instruments from Blessing in Elkhart (several of the models) and Blessing engraved "Olds" on them for N.E.M.C.
Later, the Accord company (never - to my knowledge - any sort of actual manufacturer) bought some Blessing instruments, and Blessing also made one model of student trumpet for Besson - which Blessing would also sell to Blessing dealers as a model B-135 - which was not listed in their catalog. It was quite a nice instrument, and we used to sell those at our store. It was sort of nice that they didn't appear on the Woodwind/Brasswind website, so we could price them as we wished...but we didn't mark them up very much (probably sold them for $400 or $450) as our store was known for our really competitive prices. I remember it had a gold brass bell and monel pistons. Unlike most of the Blessing trumpets, it had outside threaded top valve caps - which I liked. At the height of Blessing's production, they offered that euphonium, a copy of the King 1140 tuba - which also featured Bauerfeind valves, and even a copy of a traditional wrap 2-rotor Bach 50 bass trombone. I believe it was called a B-98. Joe Marcinkiewicz in Oregon made the rotors for the B-88 and B-98 trombones, which I judged to feature closer tolerances than Bach and Conn rotors. Their marching baritone - in my opinion - was probably the best one that anyone ever made (as far as sonic characteristics), and also featured German valves. Today (Blessing marching baritone), most people would probably prefer to swap the mouthpiece receiver out for one with a large shank.
I couldn't find any Sears catalog pics from later - showing Blessing instruments, but I did find an old 60's catalog page (and picture of an actual instrument) form the Buescher era...and (now, apparently, I've discovered that) Sears continued to purchase Buescher instruments well after the Selmer, USA buyout.
Inflation calculators put a hundred 1965 dollars at roughly a thousand 2023 dollars.
My older brother (considerably older then me) played my Dad's no-name silver-plated metal clarinet (from the 1920's or earlier) in the school band for the first two or three years, and - somewhere? - they later found a wood-or-hard-rubber (??) clarinet for sale for my brother to use - probably for $20 or some such. I recall my Dad (in the early 70's) buying himself a used Buffet (Evette - not R13) wood clarinet for a few hundred dollars...He would play tunes by ear (VERY loudly, but pretty darn well...) before or after dinner...It was loud enough to run me out of the added-on den and back into the old part of the house.
As Sears was fading into the graveyard of time, the last things I remember them selling were early/crappy Chinese "Heimer" instruments.
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Randy Johnson was the last president, and - when they had tough economic times - I believe he possibly didn't have the (lack of) heart to fire anybody. That may be why they eventually had to go out of business and sell their name to St Louis Music Supply. I'm pretty sure the Blessing instruments are now made by Jinbao (or some such..??), and are not even the same tooling.
Blessing would make instruments for other places and would put plenty of stencil names on them. I believe Buescher used to sell instruments to Sears (regular and "Wish Book" catalog listings), but Blessing took that over, because they were cheaper priced, and particularly as Buescher had been bought by Selmer USA. The "Olds" connection was the fact that this mail order place up in New Jersey called N.E.M.C. bought the Olds name (after Selmer USA bought what they wanted of the Olds tooling). N.E.M.C. bought instruments from Blessing in Elkhart (several of the models) and Blessing engraved "Olds" on them for N.E.M.C.
Later, the Accord company (never - to my knowledge - any sort of actual manufacturer) bought some Blessing instruments, and Blessing also made one model of student trumpet for Besson - which Blessing would also sell to Blessing dealers as a model B-135 - which was not listed in their catalog. It was quite a nice instrument, and we used to sell those at our store. It was sort of nice that they didn't appear on the Woodwind/Brasswind website, so we could price them as we wished...but we didn't mark them up very much (probably sold them for $400 or $450) as our store was known for our really competitive prices. I remember it had a gold brass bell and monel pistons. Unlike most of the Blessing trumpets, it had outside threaded top valve caps - which I liked. At the height of Blessing's production, they offered that euphonium, a copy of the King 1140 tuba - which also featured Bauerfeind valves, and even a copy of a traditional wrap 2-rotor Bach 50 bass trombone. I believe it was called a B-98. Joe Marcinkiewicz in Oregon made the rotors for the B-88 and B-98 trombones, which I judged to feature closer tolerances than Bach and Conn rotors. Their marching baritone - in my opinion - was probably the best one that anyone ever made (as far as sonic characteristics), and also featured German valves. Today (Blessing marching baritone), most people would probably prefer to swap the mouthpiece receiver out for one with a large shank.
I couldn't find any Sears catalog pics from later - showing Blessing instruments, but I did find an old 60's catalog page (and picture of an actual instrument) form the Buescher era...and (now, apparently, I've discovered that) Sears continued to purchase Buescher instruments well after the Selmer, USA buyout.
Inflation calculators put a hundred 1965 dollars at roughly a thousand 2023 dollars.
My older brother (considerably older then me) played my Dad's no-name silver-plated metal clarinet (from the 1920's or earlier) in the school band for the first two or three years, and - somewhere? - they later found a wood-or-hard-rubber (??) clarinet for sale for my brother to use - probably for $20 or some such. I recall my Dad (in the early 70's) buying himself a used Buffet (Evette - not R13) wood clarinet for a few hundred dollars...He would play tunes by ear (VERY loudly, but pretty darn well...) before or after dinner...It was loud enough to run me out of the added-on den and back into the old part of the house.
As Sears was fading into the graveyard of time, the last things I remember them selling were early/crappy Chinese "Heimer" instruments.
bloke "who always posts a bunch of weird semi-personal $h!t - which as nothing to do with the topic at hand..."
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Re: "Blessing USA" euphoniums
Pretty pleased with this horn. Got some makeshift valve buttons for it, soldered two broken braces back together, patched a tiny pinhole in the 2nd valve slide. Has a surprisingly big/"noble" (??) sound, valves are really nice as would be expected.
Would eventually like some buttons closer to OEM, but I'll take it as is. Did my best to roll out the bell, but I need to do some more work before it looks like a euphonium bell from a fast horse.
I have a friend flying here to play in the NYC TubaChristmas and he can't fly with a horn, so he will be using this one. Need a gig bag for it.
Would eventually like some buttons closer to OEM, but I'll take it as is. Did my best to roll out the bell, but I need to do some more work before it looks like a euphonium bell from a fast horse.
I have a friend flying here to play in the NYC TubaChristmas and he can't fly with a horn, so he will be using this one. Need a gig bag for it.
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Re: "Blessing USA" euphoniums
Back when I had employees (prior to polishing/lacquering) an instrument (jokingly) had to past the (imaginary) "paint-shaker test"...
ie. as if the instrument was attached to one of those paint store gallon-can paint-shakers, you would turn it on, and then check for surface imperfections.
...I thought I used to have an old/bought-at-a-surplus-place-that-would-buy-out-bankrupt-stores-and-insurance-salvage euphonium bag (maybe Protec, and maybe not much padding...??) I don't see it - with just a quick search.
The cheapest I can probably do on a JP bag is $140...which is probably about the same as the cheapest ones on eBay.
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