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Re: Tenor Tuba Orchestra Part List

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:38 pm
by bloke
' have spent time working on/messing around with a Gautrot...added an additional upper tone hole and mechanism to one (one more higher half-step), replaced key springs, extensive resoldering, re-padding, dent removal, etc...

They make a racket, not round/resonant like a tuba or euphonium, and just doesn't "carry" as much.

French bassoons are smaller bore, and more nasal (not louder, but more attention-getting - such as with the more-piercing sound of a smaller-bore trombone).

some cool pics, and several are of French bassoons:
https://kingkristopher.com/tag/french-bassoon/

If you've not played on an ophicleide, pick up a baritone saxophone (saxophone fingerings are the same fingerings as recorder, and the octave key is the same as the hole on the back - though no "half-holing", because the instrument does that automatically), plug a trombone mouthpiece into the neck, and mess with it. That will give you a very good idea of the (I would describe as "hollow") resonance/output potential of an ophicleide.

If this sidebar is supposed to be a debate (??), I need to hand my "side" (??) if it off to someone else, eat dinner, and resume working on @tubaing's Holton's valve section mounting job (which is coming along pretty well). :cheers:

Re: Tenor Tuba Orchestra Part List

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:15 pm
by Bob Kolada
Snake Charmer wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:28 pm
to the ophicleides. Those instruments weren’t all that loud…not even an orchestra is 200 years ago…
Playing them in anger helps cutting through an orchestra. If the rest is too loud, take more ophicleides!
So a Bb Saxhorn would be the appropriate instrument for Planets?
Absolutely!
Truly a dangerous man! 🤣
If a scary sound is what is needed, I'd like to suggest 2 King Eb Monsters in the last Fantastique movement. JC had one where it's Eb scale had every note but that. the horror...
bloke wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:38 pm ' have spent time working on/messing around with a Gautrot...added an additional upper tone hole and mechanism to one (one more higher half-step), replaced key springs, extensive resoldering, re-padding, dent removal, etc...

They make a racket, not round/resonant like a tuba or euphonium, and just doesn't "carry" as much.

French bassoons are smaller bore, and more nasal (not louder, but more attention-getting - such as with the more-piercing sound of a smaller-bore trombone).

some cool pics, and several are of French bassoons:
https://kingkristopher.com/tag/french-bassoon/

If you've not played on an ophicleide, pick up a baritone saxophone (saxophone fingerings are the same fingerings as recorder, and the octave key is the same as the hole on the back - though no "half-holing", because the instrument does that automatically), plug a trombone mouthpiece into the neck, and mess with it. That will give you a very good idea of the (I would describe as "hollow") resonance/output potential of an ophicleide.

If this sidebar is supposed to be a debate (??), I need to hand my "side" (??) if it off to someone else, eat dinner, and resume working on @tubaing's Holton's valve section mounting job (which is coming along pretty well). :cheers:
There used to be a youtube video of a guy doing that with a bass sax and a tuba mouthpiece.

Does anyone know what exact instrument was used in the Bobo Planets recording? To my ears it sounds very much like an American baritone, though it could be any old euphonium with a similar sound concept to contemporary tuba players.

Re: Tenor Tuba Orchestra Part List

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:30 pm
by Matt Good
Add these two:
Bernstein: Divertimento (Tuba doubles on euphonium)
Carl Ruggles: Sun Treader

Re: Tenor Tuba Orchestra Part List

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:39 pm
by bloke
Matt is a walking encyclopedia of works and their instrumentation.