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donn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:13 am There seem to be a fair number of those Moldau models, if you factor all the combinations. Gold/yellow brass, with/without kranz, medium/large leadpipe, ... looks like the deluxe is a large leadpipe plus a 2nd valve trigger?

Which seems from my very poorly informed perspective like kind of an odd place to put a trigger.

Equally poorly informed but blathering anyway -- some people like a 5th valve that is a flat half step. Seems putting a trigger on the 2nd valve could accomplish that with less metal, and that may be the thinking behind it.

I'm curious as to what demographic/who is buying these horns up. My guess is schools. Or is it amatuer/hobbyists like myself.

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From what I've seen, and of course I can't find the source now, the 784 is one of the best selling BBb tubas in Europe right now. I don't think it's all students. For the size and weight it definitely punches above it's weight class. And that is VERY intriguing to an old man like me.

Also, does anybody here speak enough German to give a synopsis of the review in the 684 vs 784 video?

I definitely do not speak enough German but would like a link to the video because searching didn't find it for me.

Mary Ann wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:40 am I definitely do not speak enough German but would like a link to the video because searching didn't find it for me.

YouTube can auto-translate the auto-generated captions... won't be perfect, but should be good enough.

Thanks Bort! I've never used the CC before. Knowing that there is an auto-translation... now to some other videos to try this.

That 884... whoah...

cktuba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:04 pm Thanks Bort! I've never used the CC before. Knowing that there is an auto-translation... now to some other videos to try this.

That 884... whoah...

Lee has some nice photos on his Website of the 884...

Here are two of them... looks very pretty!

Czech horns have always been interesting (to me, whether or not I judged any of them to be useful to me) due to them being unique.

In the past, they were both unique and less-expensive.

Today, they are still unique.

to those who sell new Czech horns: Please don't be triggered by the above; I said nothing bad nor untruthful about them.

Whoah.... those 884CC pics are new. Wow!

The larger leadpipe seems to like the demo man, to my ears anyway, but I guess it must not work for everyone.

cktuba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:30 pm Whoah.... those 884CC pics are new. Wow!

Also would be new to someone who's perused the Lídl site - I don't see a 5V version there, anyway.

cktuba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:30 pm Whoah.... those 884CC pics are new. Wow!

The photo of the back reminds me a lot of a Miraphone 188, in terms of the more-noticeable taper of the top bow and bottom bow. The bell, however seems to expand more rapidly, or at least differently. Here's a rough side by side of the Lidl with a 188 photo from The Horn Guys:

Image with less distorted perspective from the Lídl site - with King 2341

I played the 784 and the 684 back to back today. I actually liked the 684 yellow brass horn with the smaller bell flare more. Both were very good, but the clearness and price of the 684 swings my bote that way

LeMark wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:48 pm I played the 784 and the 684 back to back today. I actually liked the 684 yellow brass horn with the smaller bell flare more. Both were very good, but the clearness and price of the 684 swings my vote that way

… and the piggy?

I found it to have some resistance That I didn't love. The Arion felt better

@donn those look totally different to me

LeMark wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:48 pm I played the 784 and the 684 back to back today. I actually liked the 684 yellow brass horn with the smaller bell flare more.

Do you know if they had M or L leadpipes? I guess that would appear somewhere towards the end of the model designation, like 684-4 L.

I can find out today

bort2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:22 pm

cktuba wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:04 pm Thanks Bort! I've never used the CC before. Knowing that there is an auto-translation... now to some other videos to try this.

That 884... whoah...

Lee has some nice photos on his Website of the 884...

Here are two of them... looks very pretty!

Pretty horn!

The engraving is