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Here is my ranking, by size, of the Subcontrabass Tubas I have been able to track down in my research. Do you know of any others that I have somehow missed - and can you verify their existence, whether now or in the past? Or do you have more reliable data on any of the ones listed?
Thanks so much!
Dave
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Played an F. E. Olds 4-valve BBb in high school (late '70s)
Led the USC Trojan Marching Band tuba section (early '80s)
Now playing an F. Schmidt (=VMI) 3301 and goofing around
on a 1925 Pan American Sousaphone and an 1899 Conn tuba!
Played an F. E. Olds 4-valve BBb in high school (late '70s)
Led the USC Trojan Marching Band tuba section (early '80s)
Now playing an F. Schmidt (=VMI) 3301 and goofing around
on a 1925 Pan American Sousaphone and an 1899 Conn tuba!
Last call for any additional subcontrabass tuba sightings - thanks!
And @bloke, what can you tell me about the Hoffnung tuba, having apparently seen it and played it?
Played an F. E. Olds 4-valve BBb in high school (late '70s)
Led the USC Trojan Marching Band tuba section (early '80s)
Now playing an F. Schmidt (=VMI) 3301 and goofing around
on a 1925 Pan American Sousaphone and an 1899 Conn tuba!
Dave Detwiler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:24 am
Last call for any additional subcontrabass tuba sightings - thanks!
And @bloke, what can you tell me about the Hoffnung tuba, having apparently seen it and played it?
If that is the instrument that is in Texas, I spent just a long enough time with it to have my picture taken with it, and to discover that it’s a giant vacuum cleaner. Its own mouthpiece overshot my face, and I’m not a person with a small face.
Regardless of how much gigantism is involved in designing an instrument, the human end of it probably (??) needs to accommodate humans.
Thanks, Ian (@Mithosphere. But this raises a few questions:
1. If a 13-ft Eb tuba is considered a bass tuba, wouldn't a 26-ft Eb be a contrabass, and then a 52-ft Eb, such as the Saxhorn bourdon (no. 1 in my ranking above), be a subcontrabass? Or is "sub-bass" a category used with Eb tubas?
2. What is the make and year of your 26-ft Eb?
3. I have not yet found any hard evidence (articles or images) for a subcontrabass Cerveny. Bevan mentions one (or is it two?) in his book, but with no documentation. What more can you tell me?
Thanks again!
Dave
Played an F. E. Olds 4-valve BBb in high school (late '70s)
Led the USC Trojan Marching Band tuba section (early '80s)
Now playing an F. Schmidt (=VMI) 3301 and goofing around
on a 1925 Pan American Sousaphone and an 1899 Conn tuba!
This was he same question I had - since it’s more or less a one-off instrument, it’s hard to figure out how it’s classified. At 26-27 feet long - double the length of a standard bass in E-flat, that would fall in the range of the contrabass. Although if week look at organ notation, as I was told by someone either on that other tuba forum or YouTube, it’s considered a subbass.... but then the Okemos, MI 26-27 foot E-flat helicon is called a subcontrabass...
I’ll have to find that old thread, if the posts haven’t been deleted, to see if I can find the University of Illinois concert program that lists this E-flat tuba in question, although I think they called it a contrabass. I know it was probably made by Bohland & Fuchs pre-1920.
Cerveny made really early tubas and I think someone had found an old catalog showing models like a subcontrabass, but I think we’re talking about the big rotary valve be that is the Amati in B-flat - there was all sorts of talk on what key it was in on the old old Tube—- I mean old tuba forum pre-2004.
Mithosphere wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:14 pmthe Okemos, MI 26-27 foot E-flat helicon is called a subcontrabass...
Now that the Okemos building is gone, it could be assumed that the EEb subbass/subcontrabass helicon and all the other tubas that hung from the ceiling or rested in the basement are in the hands of the former owner of the defunct museum/restaurant.
