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Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:27 pm
by bloke
Here is some more Frankentuba fuel - a Conn (Pan American line) B-flat tuba which should be a really easy cut to C.
The bore size in the top-action valveset is .700" - and seems to stay just about that size for a couple of loops PAST the valveset, so (besides the before-valveset tuning slide which can be eliminated) one of those post-valveset loops should be able to be made to "disappear" (to achieve C-length) as well.
There appears to be a heavy layer of "barn tarnish" over a worn satin-silver finish. The Pan American engraving (as can be seen) is amazing.
If - simply - it remains as someone's "beater" B-flat, some of the solder joints on the #3 top-action circuit need to be redone, Something like woodwind key oil (no thicker) might be recommended for the (unplated nickel silver) pistons, and there is an outside-slide-tube-to-upper-bow brace missing. There is also no receiver brace. (Again, if converted to C - probably with a 1241/2341 valveset...?? - ALL of that stuff is moot.)
I'm asking $700 for this (plus lowest possible cost FedExGround shipping...I have a FedEx account, and will drop it off at a pick-up location.)
I actually have it tooting in B-flat, and the overtone series is quite true. A FOLLOW-UP POST FEATURES A SHORT VIDEO WITH A TWO-OCTAVE B-FLAT SCALE.
The bell diameter is 18 inches, and the overall height is 34 inches.
Finally, the bottom bow cap isn't smashed in, so it can probably be left as is, or minor cap dents can be removed WITHOUT removing the cap from the bottom bow.
Please don't offer much less than the quoted price...Buy the time transportation was covered to where it was, I paid the best price I could manage to pay, listed this ad, will have communicated with the ultimate buyer, and will have packed it for shipping and dropped it off, my mark-up is very modest on this...and it's nice piece with tremendous potential.

If someone just wants this as a "beater" B-flat (instead of as a project instrument), I'm willing to straighten out the #3 slide alignment and solder joints, prior to shipping it, but please do not request any additional work.

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two octave B-flat scale (video) https://imgur.com/pVBQrUV

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:19 pm
by Three Valves
I played one of these at the last Army conference.

Fun thing. Metal felt practically indestructible as I recall.

Does the G sound better with 3 instead of 1+2?

The rest sounded terrific :clap:

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:06 pm
by LargeTuba
Darn I wish I had the money. I might sell some stuff...

Is this a 4/4 or closer to 5/4?

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:36 pm
by bloke
LargeTuba wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:06 pm Darn I wish I had the money. I might sell some stuff...

Is this a 4/4 or closer to 5/4?
4/4

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:41 pm
by bloke
Three Valves wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:19 pm I played one of these at the last Army conference.

Fun thing. Metal felt practically indestructible as I recall.

Does the G sound better with 3 instead of 1+2?

The rest sounded terrific :clap:
G seems a little bit flat...not too bad. I could have easily pushed it higher.
I didn't want to "lip" anything, because I didn't want anyone - who might be interested - to be under the impression that they were considering buying a "magically perfectly in tune" tuba.

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:01 pm
by Tubajug
This is the Pan American version of the 10J correct?

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:18 am
by bloke
It appears so.

I always thought these tubas' tapered bugles were superior to (larger than) the 12J/5J bugle, as well as also (being able to blow THROUGH these) NOT feeling like I'm trying to blow INTO an instrument.

If no one is interested in using it for a shorten-to-C (probably, without having to remove any taper) project, I'll probably clean it up, and offer it as a silver (such as it is) outdoor-gig B-flat tuba...

...as it actually sounds like a "tuba" - arguably unlike those (though sure: front-action) little YBB-103 outdoor-gig tubas.

This Pan America DOES feature two reasonably-sturdy (not just "lip service") strap rings, on the back.

Unlike most found 10J tubas, this Pan American bell is not trashed. :smilie8:

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 11:26 am
by LargeTuba
Does it play similar to kings like in largness? Or whatever descriptor you want to use.

I'm considering buying this and putting on a Conn Gaint bottom bow and bell just to make it hopefully a little bigger sounding.

Re: Conn Pan America B-flat (probably: future frankentuba...or just a "beater" B-flat)

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:19 pm
by bloke
I think I would describe it as a “scant“ 4/4, whereas the 5J/12J/O-99 stuff would all be considered 7/8.