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SOLD: B&S model 3301 piston B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:56 am
by bloke
cross-posted...
link here with TONS MORE pictures >>> viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1722
Re: B&S model 3301 B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:08 pm
by bort2.0
That's gorgeous, Joe. (And perhaps I recognize that case...?)
Never seen "4/4++" before, but maybe that's the size that I need. :)
I wonder how similar this is to the CC variants, the PT-20 and GR-41?
I definitely have a soft spot for B&S tubas.
Re: B&S model 3301 piston B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm
by bloke
The case was included with this instrument, Brett.
4/4++ is because of the large (19mm/19.5mm) bore combined with the 19" bell...
Since we all understand what 7/8 is (Conn 12J/5J, Olds O-99, Bach Mercedes, Reynolds TB-10, etc.), I deem it OK to refer to a tuba as 9/8 size...
...and there are quite a few instruments labeled "4/4" that aren't this fat, and don't sound this phat.
Re: B&S model 3301 piston B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pm
by Three Valves
I just noticed how the lead pipe does not go straight into the first valve like many other piston tubas. Perhaps that’s why the valves are so good!! (No sticky first)
Re: B&S model 3301 piston B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:13 pm
by matt g
Three Valves wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:07 pm
I just noticed how the lead pipe does not go straight into the first valve like many other piston tubas. Perhaps that’s why the valves are so good!! (No sticky first)
I’ve always had the suspicion that this horn is a rare case of a CC turned into a BBb successfully.
Looking closely, there’s about one foot of tubing wrapped up in that extra bit before the valve set. And then the main tuning slide is extended (it appears) about 3” on either side. Somewhere else is about another 6” of added bugle.
Re: B&S model 3301 piston B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:24 pm
by bloke
That could be...or rotary B-flat into piston B-flat, with very little else altered...(??)
Re: B&S model 3301 piston B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:30 pm
by matt g
bloke wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:24 pm
That could be...or rotary B-flat into piston B-flat, with very little else altered...(??)
Yeah...
I think the baseline was a PT-3 or PT-20 from photos, but I am just guessing.
Re: B&S model 3301 piston B-flat tuba w/case - ONLY $5995 !!!
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:43 am
by bloke
matt g wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:30 pm
bloke wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:24 pm
That could be...or rotary B-flat into piston B-flat, with very little else altered...(??)
Yeah...
I think the baseline was a PT-3 or PT-20 from photos, but I am just guessing.
I wouldn’t be surprised, and wondered the same thing. This B-flat is easier for me (personally) to keep well between the intonation ditches than those C models...
...which makes me wonder if some of the wonkier tubas in C need more mouthpipe and less expanding bugle...which seems to be the opposite of the tendency when designing them, doesn’t it?
...It’s all a trial-and-error mystery...
