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Three Valves wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:20 pm That Rudy at BB is huge!!

But I didn’t play it.

I’m a tire kicker but I don’t push my luck.

kingrob76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:54 pm According to David Fedderly, RM only made 3 of those 6/4 BBb horns, and that's one of them. It's REALLY good, and I don't care for BBb tubas all that much. Were I in the market for a legit monster-sized horn and didn't mind BBb tuba this would definitely get very strong consideration from me.

grayax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:16 pm I had the opportunity to play it last January. I had just spent a good deal of time on an Eastman 534 play testing for a new, larger mouthpiece. I played the Rudy after that. Aside from having to sit up as tall as I could to play it (I'm only 5'6"), the top end of it was fantastic. I could get the 4 line Bb without too much effort. I couldn't get lower than a low F because there just wasn't enough resistance for me, especially on a new, bigger mouthpiece. Great horn and it could certainly put out all the sound you would likely ever need, but I have no need for something that big and expensive.

matt g wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:25 pm Most people report that the 6/4 Rudy is quite easy to play despite its size.

I’m pretty sure it’s the biggest horn currently “in production”, insofar that production means they will make one of you provide them a deposit.

Pretty much the remainder of the 6/4 genre is a copy of one of two horns. The one departure for a while was the 2165, which is more of copy of the Holton 345. I’m not sure where the current Meinl Weston variant lies, but I think it’s a bit smaller.

kingrob76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:54 pm According to David Fedderly, RM only made 3 of those 6/4 BBb horns, and that's one of them. It's REALLY good, and I don't care for BBb tubas all that much. Were I in the market for a legit monster-sized horn and didn't mind BBb tuba this would definitely get very strong consideration from me.

bloke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:45 pm I suppose I'm quibbling tonight (and with people I "like" very much), but my observation is that the BMB (if 4-valve, and if BB-flat) is probably closer to a Holton 345 copy than anything.

I have seen a picture of one Meinl-Weston-built PRE-216(4) prototype (according to the person who posted the picture) tuba which featured four loops in its bugle (as does the Holton), but the production model 2165 features only three loops, which is why the upper inner bow is positioned so high, and the main slide sits so low.

As far as the FOUR-loop Meinl-Weston (built in C) 216(4) prototype is concerned...I believe (??) Mr. Olka owned it for a while, and sold it roughly fifteen years ago.

Kontrabasstuba wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:39 am

kingrob76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:54 pm According to David Fedderly, RM only made 3 of those 6/4 BBb horns, and that's one of them. It's REALLY good, and I don't care for BBb tubas all that much. Were I in the market for a legit monster-sized horn and didn't mind BBb tuba this would definitely get very strong consideration from me.

That's not true. Rudi Meinl made much more of only 3 6/4 BBb. I have seen defently more than 3 here in Europe

bloke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:45 pm I suppose I'm quibbling tonight (and with people I "like" very much), but my observation is that the BMB (if 4-valve, and if BB-flat) is probably closer to a Holton 345 copy than anything.

I have seen a picture of one Meinl-Weston-built PRE-216(4) prototype (according to the person who posted the picture) tuba which featured four loops in its bugle (as does the Holton), but the production model 2165 features only three loops, which is why the upper inner bow is positioned so high, and the main slide sits so low.

As far as the FOUR-loop Meinl-Weston (built in C) 216(4) prototype is concerned...I believe (??) Mr. Olka owned it for a while, and sold it roughly fifteen years ago.

tobysima` wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:33 pm

matt g wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:25 pm Most people report that the 6/4 Rudy is quite easy to play despite its size.

I’m pretty sure it’s the biggest horn currently “in production”, insofar that production means they will make one of you provide them a deposit.

Pretty much the remainder of the 6/4 genre is a copy of one of two horns. The one departure for a while was the 2165, which is more of copy of the Holton 345. I’m not sure where the current Meinl Weston variant lies, but I think it’s a bit smaller.

As in the 197 and the Wessex Kaiser??

matt g wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:57 am

tobysima` wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:33 pm

matt g wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:25 pm Most people report that the 6/4 Rudy is quite easy to play despite its size.

I’m pretty sure it’s the biggest horn currently “in production”, insofar that production means they will make one of you provide them a deposit.

Pretty much the remainder of the 6/4 genre is a copy of one of two horns. The one departure for a while was the 2165, which is more of copy of the Holton 345. I’m not sure where the current Meinl Weston variant lies, but I think it’s a bit smaller.

As in the 197 and the Wessex Kaiser??

I forget about the Kaiser Tuba copies. But they are all smaller than the Rudy.

Kontrabasstuba wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:39 am

kingrob76 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:54 pm According to David Fedderly, RM only made 3 of those 6/4 BBb horns, and that's one of them. It's REALLY good, and I don't care for BBb tubas all that much. Were I in the market for a legit monster-sized horn and didn't mind BBb tuba this would definitely get very strong consideration from me.

That's not true. Rudi Meinl made much more of only 3 6/4 BBb. I have seen defently more than 3 here in Europe