dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
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dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
This band's recordings have been posted often enough, but I thought I might open up a topic - for those of you who play this type of music (since we are rarely hired to play tuba in "straight ahead/modern" jazz combos).
If all you play are "rip-roarin' " dixie tunes and novelty tunes (no matter how well), you'll probably be hired less often than were it that you included several dance tunes.
Our band leader (in the band - nearly 40 years ago) was clever enough to that.
Typically, I would move over to bass, and the banjo player would move over to tenor guitar for those numbers.
Here's one of them (linked below)...
It DOES feature the tuba on the opening "verse" (actually, I quoted one of Bix's recorded versions of the verse, verbatim), but I jumped over to bass to play the rest of it.
Also notice that it lasts longer than an (old 45 rpm) 2:45-long record - to actually give people a chance to dance, for some others to DECIDE to get up and dance, and (most importantly - for the establishment) for folks to exert themselves and to get THIRSTY.
and here's something I've never admitted in public before:
I left the band in 1984. There were several reasons, but ONE of them was that this trombone player was leaving, and his replacement (well...I just knew...) would not measure up (and they didn't). Truth be told, I really didn't care for the guy, personally, as (though he never meant to) he tended to "grate" on folks, just a wee bit...but - on the bandstand - he was my "bestist buddy". Check out his solo which begins around 3:50... How many trombone players do you know (not on TV, but playing in local bands around you) who are this "smooth"...??
oh yeah...and one last thing...
sense of time:
I actually posted the "clapping hands" (which I really never use, here), because I noticed that the tempo of the clapping is same as that if this dance tune (the name of which, btw, is "Sugar"). Notice how long it takes (quite long) for the clapping hands and the music to get "out of sync"... More than ANYTHING (in ANY type of music), TIME (far more important that "tuning", or EVEN "phrasing") is the very most important aspect...and no, we had no "click tracks", and recorded all of these tunes together in one room in one "take" - with no patches (because that's all the recording time we could afford to buy). ...and no one in the band was willing to write "arrangements", so we just - well - played.
If all you play are "rip-roarin' " dixie tunes and novelty tunes (no matter how well), you'll probably be hired less often than were it that you included several dance tunes.
Our band leader (in the band - nearly 40 years ago) was clever enough to that.
Typically, I would move over to bass, and the banjo player would move over to tenor guitar for those numbers.
Here's one of them (linked below)...
It DOES feature the tuba on the opening "verse" (actually, I quoted one of Bix's recorded versions of the verse, verbatim), but I jumped over to bass to play the rest of it.
Also notice that it lasts longer than an (old 45 rpm) 2:45-long record - to actually give people a chance to dance, for some others to DECIDE to get up and dance, and (most importantly - for the establishment) for folks to exert themselves and to get THIRSTY.
and here's something I've never admitted in public before:
I left the band in 1984. There were several reasons, but ONE of them was that this trombone player was leaving, and his replacement (well...I just knew...) would not measure up (and they didn't). Truth be told, I really didn't care for the guy, personally, as (though he never meant to) he tended to "grate" on folks, just a wee bit...but - on the bandstand - he was my "bestist buddy". Check out his solo which begins around 3:50... How many trombone players do you know (not on TV, but playing in local bands around you) who are this "smooth"...??
oh yeah...and one last thing...
sense of time:
I actually posted the "clapping hands" (which I really never use, here), because I noticed that the tempo of the clapping is same as that if this dance tune (the name of which, btw, is "Sugar"). Notice how long it takes (quite long) for the clapping hands and the music to get "out of sync"... More than ANYTHING (in ANY type of music), TIME (far more important that "tuning", or EVEN "phrasing") is the very most important aspect...and no, we had no "click tracks", and recorded all of these tunes together in one room in one "take" - with no patches (because that's all the recording time we could afford to buy). ...and no one in the band was willing to write "arrangements", so we just - well - played.
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Re: dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
Nice intro!!
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Re: dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
As the example demonstrates, "dance music" does NOT necessarily need to be "NOT-20's-30's jazz"
(double negative...)
(if a band chooses to "stay in character") ...but rather,
"just music that is dance-able".
Most of our dance numbers featured longer intros...
The last one (as heard) was "the tuba and tenor guitar playing the verse"
This one (linked below) is simply a piano intro.
The longer intros would clue the crowd that it was going to be a dance number (so they could set down their drinks and get up).
Since dance numbers were usually longer, we often incorporated key changes - to prevent monotony.
(I'm not sure that - in year 2021 - many people still know how to dance the "Balboa",
which is the dance that - typically, in the past - people would dance to the "peppy/dixieland" numbers.)
Balboa dance demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAGorQO8kAc
(double negative...)
(if a band chooses to "stay in character") ...but rather,
"just music that is dance-able".
Most of our dance numbers featured longer intros...
The last one (as heard) was "the tuba and tenor guitar playing the verse"
This one (linked below) is simply a piano intro.
The longer intros would clue the crowd that it was going to be a dance number (so they could set down their drinks and get up).
Since dance numbers were usually longer, we often incorporated key changes - to prevent monotony.
(I'm not sure that - in year 2021 - many people still know how to dance the "Balboa",
which is the dance that - typically, in the past - people would dance to the "peppy/dixieland" numbers.)
Balboa dance demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAGorQO8kAc
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Re: dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
That Devil Music is fer Flappers and Bootleggers!!
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Re: dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
Speaking of Dixieland coincidences...
Have you ever watched that late 1950s movie about bootleggers, “Thunder Road”, that featured Keely Smith and starred Robert Mitchum and co-starred Mitchum’s younger brother?
Have you ever watched that late 1950s movie about bootleggers, “Thunder Road”, that featured Keely Smith and starred Robert Mitchum and co-starred Mitchum’s younger brother?
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Re: dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
WOW!!, no, but it's on my list now!!
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Re: dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
That is some great trombone playing! Thanks for sharing, bloke.
What a trip regarding this: !
That was crazy. Y'all were in the pocket.
What a trip regarding this: !
That was crazy. Y'all were in the pocket.
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Re: dixieland/"traditional jazz" bands needing to play dance numbers to get hired more often...
always...
The drummer was about 65 years old…and - as a very young tall and handsome man – had been a “boy crooner” with some (“name”) bands. He worked a whole bunch up in Cairo, Illinois after the war, when that town was wide open with prostitution and gambling, etc. It’s virtually a ghost town now (perhaps even more so than Gary, Indiana)...not even a hospital or anything. I guess that’s what law and order does to a town...
His day job was repairing, rebuilding, and tuning pianos.
He held that microphone and sang that vocal while playing the drums - as he was accustomed to doing on the bandstand (no overdub).
People (employees, other recording engineers, and other recording “artistes” on breaks) were crowding into the control booth while we were recording that stuff. I guess it was a close-to-unique experience to see an entire band recording simultaneously - all on the same room.
Cairo, today (pronounced like the syrup)
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=cairo,+ ... 20&bih=454