Cooley Helleberg shank size?
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:39 am
So for the past few months, because I have the time, I've been doing some mouthpiece experimentation. Because why not?
Specifically, on my Gnagey 4/4, I've gone between my normal mouthpiece - a Mike Finn H, an Olka CB1, and a Cooley Helleberg. (Sidenote: The Cooley came with the PT6 I bought years and years ago from a former student of Floyd's. It never worked FOR ME in the PT6 as well as a PT50+, Helleberg 120, or Mike Finn H. But it is a very different mouthpiece in the Gnagey - FOR ME.)
One very broad note I have is that as I go up in size, Cooley => H => Olka, the sound gets bigger, and the intonation gets more difficult. With the Cooley, the intonation locks in almost all the way up and down the scale. The H is very good intonation-wise, and has a slightly more "me" sound. And the Olka has a huge sound, very easily accessible low register, but really makes me work to keep everything in tune. (Just so it's not a lingering question, I stay with the H 90% of the time because it's a great middle ground, and I've been using it as my primary mouthpiece for years now. Though I keep saying to myself that I need to try the Cooley exclusively for a few weeks to see if I can get used to the smaller size and find my flexibility on it because it makes intonation so easy.).
What I noticed, though, was that the shank on the Cooley is significantly smaller. The prior owner must have noticed this too, because I took a few layers of packing tape off of the shank, which had clearly been used to prevent the mouthpiece from sitting so deep in the horn.
My other mouthpieces are American shank, so the Cooley is smaller-than-American-shank.
Has anyone tried the Cooley on a York copy (which I assume it was designed for??), and does it provide the same benefit? Did people routinely use the tape trick? Was there any stated reason for the unique shank size?
Specifically, on my Gnagey 4/4, I've gone between my normal mouthpiece - a Mike Finn H, an Olka CB1, and a Cooley Helleberg. (Sidenote: The Cooley came with the PT6 I bought years and years ago from a former student of Floyd's. It never worked FOR ME in the PT6 as well as a PT50+, Helleberg 120, or Mike Finn H. But it is a very different mouthpiece in the Gnagey - FOR ME.)
One very broad note I have is that as I go up in size, Cooley => H => Olka, the sound gets bigger, and the intonation gets more difficult. With the Cooley, the intonation locks in almost all the way up and down the scale. The H is very good intonation-wise, and has a slightly more "me" sound. And the Olka has a huge sound, very easily accessible low register, but really makes me work to keep everything in tune. (Just so it's not a lingering question, I stay with the H 90% of the time because it's a great middle ground, and I've been using it as my primary mouthpiece for years now. Though I keep saying to myself that I need to try the Cooley exclusively for a few weeks to see if I can get used to the smaller size and find my flexibility on it because it makes intonation so easy.).
What I noticed, though, was that the shank on the Cooley is significantly smaller. The prior owner must have noticed this too, because I took a few layers of packing tape off of the shank, which had clearly been used to prevent the mouthpiece from sitting so deep in the horn.
My other mouthpieces are American shank, so the Cooley is smaller-than-American-shank.
Has anyone tried the Cooley on a York copy (which I assume it was designed for??), and does it provide the same benefit? Did people routinely use the tape trick? Was there any stated reason for the unique shank size?