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After several months on the fence, I've decided to post this instrument for sale.

I bought this instrument new last March directly from Thomann Music in Germany, which means I had to pay shipping and import taxes. This is the same instrument as the John Packer JP37F F tuba, but, with a different stencil. I've seen mention here of the possibility that JP pays a bit for their instruments than other instruments from the same factory, and I have no idea if that is true. I can tell you when I got mine the 4th valve slide was a bit out of alignment and the second valve slide was a bit long. I had the 4th slide aligned and the second slide shortened. Randy Mueller here in DC did the work and there's zero trace that any work was ever done.

This horn is cosmetically perfect. No scratches, no dents, no ding, no lacquer wear or marks. It's probably got less than 4 hours of play time on it because I never "shook hands" with it. If I told you this instrument was brand new there would be little doubt it wasn't. But you cannot get closer to brand new than this instrument. It's left the house once since I got it.

The horn is in Northern Virginia and will be available for purchase / checking out at the Army Workshop on Feb 2-4 (although I will only be there part of the day on Feb 2). The horn comes with a bag. The price is $4,000 USD plus shipping, but obviously shipping doesn't come into play if you're in town for the Army Workshop. Payment will be either PayPal or Venmo - I prefer the Friends / Family method to avoid fees but if you prefer the other method you will also need to pay those fees ($145.16 for PayPal, $77.57 for Venmo).

Very tempting!

jonesbrass wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:34 am Very tempting!

It's a REALLY good horn - but F tuba is not for me. I might end up back on Eb or a small CC but for now this belongs in a good home that will use it.

Is that gig bag a Gotz, or a Thomann copy of a Gotz?

Either way, looks like a really clean and nice setup. And even if JP makes/sells the same thing, nobody else is going to have the Thomann engraving on theirs. It's cool now. Will be even cooler in 50 years when people are like "whoa, what is that?" :)

Does this sound more like an F tuba or an Eb tuba? Visually, these look so much like the Besson 983 to me, I wonder how they play/sound. The 983 was a really nice horn, but my brain always wanted to function in F instead of Eb.

I don't have any money or interest or ability to buy this from you, just asking in case this is helpful for others.

bort2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:12 am Is that gig bag a Gotz, or a Thomann copy of a Gotz?

Either way, looks like a really clean and nice setup. And even if JP makes/sells the same thing, nobody else is going to have the Thomann engraving on theirs. It's cool now. Will be even cooler in 50 years when people are like "whoa, what is that?" :)

Does this sound more like an F tuba or an Eb tuba? Visually, these look so much like the Besson 983 to me, I wonder how they play/sound. The 983 was a really nice horn, but my brain always wanted to function in F instead of Eb.

I don't have any money or interest or ability to buy this from you, just asking in case this is helpful for others.

It's a big piston F and sounds like a big piston F - and it sounds a lot like the MW 2250 that it is based on. It's closer to an Eb than a rotary F tuba, but it's not quite an Eb type of sound. Pretty close to a 983, but, not quite.

The bag is made by Gotz I believe, but it's made for Thomann and is Thomann branded. This is NOT the triple-padded Gotz bag that many of us have ordered, but the standard padding. If it's not made in the Gotz facilities then someone is doing a GREAT copy right down to the zipper pulls.

Thomann doesn't appear to be shipping tubas to the US right now - I tried to order one just to see the shipping and it bombs out on order placement. I suspect it might have gotten to be a hassle they didn't want to deal with (or similar).

Willing to listen to offers... trades, probably not but take a crack and see. Trades for an Eb or *maybe* a small CC, not much else interests me right now.

I will be hanging around the Army Tuba/Euphonium Workshop on Friday and Saturday if you're interested in this horn. PM me here and we can figure out a time / place to meet up (probably an empty chair somewhere in the vendor room).