Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:59 pm
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Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
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Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:22 am
update:
As of the first two votes:
1 right
1 wrong
As of the first two votes:
1 right
1 wrong
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:56 am
C) Neither
I would play a different piano concerto.
I would play a different piano concerto.
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:57 pm
Seems like the part has no range extremes other than some low Es. Pretty much any tuba will do? or Prokofiev, so BBb tuba? Conn 14k? Your pudgy Holton? Depends what else is on the program?
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:14 pm
the rest of the concerto - any ol' tuba, though a six-valve F tuba would offer THREE ways to play the D-flats (which appear quite often in the piece, and it's nice to play tuba pitches just as flat as the left hand of a piano is tuned)
the portion quoted below - would prefer to play on F (tuning/volume control/overall control)
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Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:19 pm
Everyone knows that Prokofiev loved the cimbasso.
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:35 pm
...as well as the Jinbao compensating euphonium...
me...??
I suspect that it was first played on some sort of E-flat tuba (in Россия).
Scheherazade's tessitura/pitch range (yet another Russian piece - written about a quarter century earlier) fits JUST within the range of a 3-valve E-flat.
(When I play the R-K, I ALWAYS "unfold" the motif - stated at the beginning.) I would play Scheherazade on a bass tuba WERE IT NOT FOR the massive opening motif, PLUS those downbeat "punches" that kick the brass (later in the piece)...I WILL NOT be drowned out by percussion !!!
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:35 pm
I played it two weeks ago on Rotary F. Small orchestra so balance was fine. Low note sections needed a little attention. I play my F quite a bit so take this with a grain of salt if you F is not played everyday. Then there is Lee Stofer's quote:"F tubas are like trophy wives, if you don't give them attention every day there is going to be trouble."
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:59 pm
I feel sorry for people who own F tubas like that.
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:49 am
The only Prokofiev piece I played with a group was that piano concerto in C on bass trombone. No tuba part so he went off stage and I sat next to the string basses. Very cool experience playing some stuff on the chainsaw with them.
The descending lines to low C in the last movement were awesome and the piano player was a total boss.We all joke about the wire choir but I think bass players rock, I consider them honorary brass players.
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:20 pm
I just do what I can to get you to use the cimbasso on as many gigs as possible. I'm also thinking this would be perfect for your bell front Eb Besson.bloke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:35 pm...as well as the Jinbao compensating euphonium...
me...??
I suspect that it was first played on some sort of E-flat tuba (in Россия).
Scheherazade's tessitura/pitch range (yet another Russian piece - written about a quarter century earlier) fits JUST within the range of a 3-valve E-flat.
(When I play the R-K, I ALWAYS "unfold" the motif - stated at the beginning.) I would play Scheherazade on a bass tuba WERE IT NOT FOR the massive opening motif, PLUS those downbeat "punches" that kick the brass (later in the piece)...I WILL NOT be drowned out by percussion !!!
Re: Prokofiev Piano 1 - D♭ (OMG...a POLL !!!) 😲
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:59 am
The concert was composed and premiered in Russia. At that time Zimmermann BBb tubas were probably used there. A tubist with ukrainian roots said in an YouTube video, that just a few years ago they still played there everyhing with St Pete (Zimmermann) BBb tuba.