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Reasonable, and stop referring to 12,XXX series instruments as "vintage". It makes me feel really old.

Is that early '70s? Surely "vintage" is older than that.

bloke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:08 am Reasonable, and stop referring to 12,XXX series instruments as "vintage". It makes me feel really old.

How about with a hyphen?

Vint-age

And at least vintage stuff from that time was good stuff. My entire life has been in the realm of things made cheaper/faster/mass-produced/worse/in China... So the vintage stuff of my time will be crap, but the miraculous crap that survived that long, not that it was ever good to begin with.

30 years from now... "Whoa, a vintage Dalyan CC tuba?"

bort2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:30 am 30 years from now... "Whoa, a vintage Dalyan CC tuba?"

Luckily for me, I'll be dead...
...Can you just imagine...??

OK OK, fine.

~50 year old Miraphone 186.

Assuredly not "vintage."

on-topic: my 184 purchased "new" by me in winter '84 was 12453, so figure 1983 vintage (it was a show horn)

arpthark wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:06 am OK OK, fine.

~50 year old Miraphone 186.

Assuredly not "vintage."

A 50-year-old one would have a serial number in the high 2,XXX to low 3,XXX range. Joe was talking about a horn in the 12,XXX range, which would have been made in the early- to middle-1980s, and to *us* would not be considered to be a vintage instrument.

1983 was 40 years ago.
1973 was 50 years ago.

the elephant wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 12:56 pm

arpthark wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:06 am OK OK, fine.

~50 year old Miraphone 186.

Assuredly not "vintage."

A 50-year-old one would have a serial number in the high 2,XXX to low 3,XXX range. Joe was talking about a horn in the 12,XXX range, which would have been made in the early- to middle-1980s, and to *us* would not be considered to be a vintage instrument.

1983 was 40 years ago.
1973 was 50 years ago.

What? 1983 was like, 20 years ago, right?

*checks calendar* oh...

My mistake. Mine is 7454, which is 1971. I was thinking it was 2454. D'OH! But 12XXX was in 1980, and that was the SN series of the posted horn. I'm batting .500, I guess.

Yeah, my former 186 was in the 11’s, and it was from 1979. Too new for me to have owned it from new—that was during my hiatus.

Rick “of all the Bb 186’s ever made, that was one of them” Denney

As a reminder, my first MiraPHone 186 CC was grey-market, bought from G (NYC) and featured NO serial number (only the trademark emblem) on the front of the bell...as well as MIRAPHONE on the krantz.

Though I was young and ever more ignunt that I am now, I sorta thought that particular Miraphone tuba sucked (I'm guessing it was made in 1973 or 4, I don't remember the #.) The 3rd partial G and 5th partial E/D-sharp were low...(The older one I sold to Bill is really close to perfectly in tune.)
I traded it (roughly five years later) for an Alex...The peeps I paid to remove the dents decided (nothing requested, valve-wise) to buff the fncking sh!t out of the rotors of that Alex, and ruined the instrument. They also handed it back to me with a gigantic nickel patch on the front of the large upper bow (wtf?) They were a couple of drunks...now: dead former drunks.

dp wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:12 am on-topic: my 184 purchased "new" by me in winter '84 was 12453, so figure 1983 vintage (it was a show horn)

Thanks for that. My 188 is barely 100 higher than that, which puts it late '83 to very early '84.

My two-part Bb 186, imported to an Arizona school, is 2905, which is coincidentally the street number of the house I mostly grew up in. Is that one vintage?

jtm wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 11:23 pm My two-part Bb 186, imported to an Arizona school, is 2905, which is coincidentally the street number of the house I mostly grew up in. Is that one vintage?

very