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Are the college marching bands dragging several pieces of nondescript huge crap out on the field these days - just like the high school bands are doing?

tofu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:00 pm Just stupid. It’s only a matter of time before this stuff gets completely out of hand.

I bet these bozo’s are getting a couple of pizza’s from Brick Oven in exchange for using their likeness in perpetuity. Kids are too dumb to understand the LT implications of stuff like that.

Isn't the point of the legislation to allow individuals to profit off their own likeness, instead of the NCAA? You've got kids (we say kids, but these are legally, if not emotionally, adults) who are athletes and are now making money on licensing deals using their image in NCAA basketball video games, advertising and the like. Before, as I understand it, kids in the NCAA were not able to make money on these companies using their image and the NCAA banked that money instead.

I guess I'm a 33-year-old kid who's too dumb to understand the long-term implication. Could you explain? Are you implying the deals are exploitative? I am not familiar with the terms. Just curious what your perspective is!

bloke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:08 pm dragging several pieces of nondescript huge crap out on the field

Don't you mean "the marching arts"?!

arpthark wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:44 am

tofu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:00 pm Just stupid. It’s only a matter of time before this stuff gets completely out of hand.

I bet these bozo’s are getting a couple of pizza’s from Brick Oven in exchange for using their likeness in perpetuity. Kids are too dumb to understand the LT implications of stuff like that.

Isn't the point of the legislation to allow individuals to profit off their own likeness, instead of the NCAA? You've got kids (we say kids, but these are legally, if not emotionally, adults) who are athletes and are now making money on licensing deals using their image in NCAA basketball video games, advertising and the like. Before, as I understand it, kids in the NCAA were not able to make money on these companies using their image and the NCAA banked that money instead.

I guess I'm a 33-year-old kid who's too dumb to understand the long-term implication. Could you explain? Are you implying the deals are exploitative? I am not familiar with the terms. Just curious what your perspective is!

In NCAA Football and Basketball, the NIL dollar amounts are so huge that some players are doing as well as or better than they will do on rookie contracts in their respective professional leagues. USC quarterback Caleb Williams, who will probably go first overall in the next NFL draft, has stated he may not sign his rookie deal and go back in the draft a year later because he makes enough at USC to give him that option. He only wants to play for a handful of teams, and none of those teams will hold the 1:1 pick. I have no problem with players making money, but, what ends up happening is the "haves" end up tilting the playing field towards them disproportionately because boosters are willing to drop incredibly large sums of cash each year. USC has more of these resources available than say a school like Iowa or Georgia Tech. Players didn't go to play for Deion Sanders at Colorado because they think the mascot is cool, they went because they wanted to play for Coach Prime AND get paid.

It's not bad for the individual player to get paid, but, college sports on whole suffers when boosters can simply buy the best talent year after year. This stuff has ALWAYS gone on, but the scope was much smaller. It's already out of hand, but, it's not going away for a LONG time.

bloke wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:08 pm Are the college marching bands dragging several pieces of nondescript huge crap out on the field these days - just like the high school bands are doing?

At least when I was doing my DMA at The Ohio State University, the marching band was able to tell an effective story using drill, and maybe a flag or two... none of these expensive props that you have to have a trailer for just them.

I guess all these high school marching bands have to keep up with the "Jones" next door.

With that being said, living on campus my junior and senior year of undergrad in west Texas at the "on campus" apartments, they offered additional scholarships to athletes. I asked if they would consider band members in that, or those on the Dean's list. Nope. Guess academics were not the focus there. I have said it publicly, that I feel any college athlete who ops in NIL benefits should not receive a dime of scholarship from the university, including housing discounts or new vehicles.

I'm not sure if it's an apronym, backronym, or both... but I just love that the letters for Name, Image, and Likeness accurately describe my interest level in college sports since the rule has taken effect -- nil.

For the smellophone section that's getting paid, I guess that's fine, whatever... I have more concerns about why a company would want to spend their money this way in the first place, besides being the publicity of backing the first NIL for band.

But just like most advertising, I only use it to help me decide what not to buy, not what to buy. I feel so dirty on the rare occasions that I buy something because I was advertised at.

Years ago I asked a musician friend who hails from Australia about what he thought of the USA craziness about sports; his reply was that the USA takes absolutely everything as far as it can go, no matter what it is. I thought that insightful.

" me? Oh, I'm in the mellophone business."