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looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:04 pm
by bloke
I have a mint condition William Bell Model (Meinl-Weston) detachable bell with - amazingly - the original hard case (same condition).

I've offered it for sale to William Bell Model owners, but (even though their oem bells are likely worn/repaired) no one (so far) is interested in buying it.

The male collar is TAPERED and the small end measures 6-9/16" (with a small amount of expansion).

If/since no one is interested in buying it, I'm looking into exploring my own uses (as so many vintage Miraphone 186 tubas feature hopelessly trashed bells).

I found a lower (cut off) portion of a Miraphone 186 bell upstairs.
The large end of that piece-of-a-186-bell is just about the same diameter (just under 6-1/2") as the small end of the Meinl-Weston detachable bell.

If anyone has a TAPERED female receiver that would fit this bell (or a LOWER BELL PART WITH the tapered receiver that would fit this bell) I might have something usable.

With the Miraphone bell section fragment that I found, it's nearly as long as a stock 186 bell, so (with a good-fitting tapered receiver) I would have something here that I could use for something...(??)

...so - I suppose - I'm asking about JUST THE RIGHT SIZE of tapered receiver ...OR...that receiver AND the lower bell part attached to it.

The HEIGHT of the tenon (as I've already given the small-end dimension) is about 1-1/4 inches (probably TALLER than those ancient Miraphone "recording bass" female tenons...EVEN IF the size and taper were to match up.


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Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:55 pm
by York-aholic
That MW bell has a sizeable throat, or very little pancake in comparison. I like it. I wish I had something to use it with.

A Marzan perhaps? I wouldn't mind stumbling across a BBb piston Marzan.

Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:17 pm
by bort2.0
I'd buy the Bell, if I already had the William sitting around.

Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:35 pm
by bloke
bort2.0 wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:17 pm I'd buy the Bell, if I already had the William sitting around.
What's the foundation for that logic?
You must be a tuba and sousaphone player.

Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:59 pm
by bort2.0
bloke wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:35 pm
bort2.0 wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:17 pm I'd buy the Bell, if I already had the William sitting around.
What's the foundation for that logic?
You must be a tuba and sousaphone player.
The Harvey Phillips Foundation?

Anyway... I like those old Bell Model CC tubas. They are a lot like a 186, but surprisingly, with a better low register and higher output before it gets all blatty and stuff. And surprisingly, the MW has a smaller bore.

Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:11 pm
by bloke
bort2.0 wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 4:59 pm The Harvey Phillips Foundation?
No sir.

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Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:20 pm
by bort2.0
I find it really interesting that Eb is listed first, then C (and not CC), and then Bb (and not BBb).

Also interesting if you zoom way in, I forgot about that part!

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Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:22 pm
by bloke
Stop posting and go practice your sneeze.

Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:09 am
by hrender
bloke wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:22 pm Stop posting and go practice your sneeze.
Deep cut, i.e. "Hold that Tiger."

I have that book. It goes from 0-60 in about 20pp.

Re: looking towards making this thing useful (as no one seems interested in buying it)

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 2:12 pm
by LeMark
hrender wrote: Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:09 am
bloke wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:22 pm Stop posting and go practice your sneeze.
Deep cut, i.e. "Hold that Tiger"

I understood that reference