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B&S F that's not a Symphonie and not a PT-x

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:14 pm
by jtm
Listed at the old place, with about the most economical first comment I've seen.

Re: B&S F that's not a Symphonie and not a PT-x

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:24 am
by arpthark
Those are nice horns but that's optimistic pricing. I know it's a little gauche to comment on that directly, but these usually go for around $5-7k. This one seems to be in good shape from pics I've seen posted elsewhere, so I'd expect something in the upside of that range would find a potential buyer more easily.

Re: B&S F that's not a Symphonie and not a PT-x

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:06 am
by bloke
arpthark wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:24 am Those are nice horns but that's optimistic pricing. I know it's a little gauche to comment on that directly, but these usually go for around $5-7k. This one seems to be in good shape from pics I've seen posted elsewhere, so I'd expect something in the upside of that range would find a potential buyer more easily.
Would that be one of the early ones (still sheet metal and seamed), whereby the 17 and 18 mm bore sizes were discarded, and a larger mouthpipe was drawn to meet up with the 19mm bore?

Re: B&S F that's not a Symphonie and not a PT-x

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:10 am
by arpthark
bloke wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:06 am
arpthark wrote: Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:24 am Those are nice horns but that's optimistic pricing. I know it's a little gauche to comment on that directly, but these usually go for around $5-7k. This one seems to be in good shape from pics I've seen posted elsewhere, so I'd expect something in the upside of that range would find a potential buyer more easily.
Would that be one of the early ones (still sheet metal and seamed), whereby the 17 and 18 mm bore sizes were discarded, and a larger mouthpipe was drawn to meet up with the 19mm bore?
Yup. GDR era "Perantucci Model" (no PT-#)

Re: B&S F that's not a Symphonie and not a PT-x

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:20 am
by bloke
Those are fine (actually a good bit better than "fine")...and I sell one like that...but the larger front-end stuff (along with the larger mouthpipe and - with some - larger bell throat - (OK, offers some sooner/easier accessibility to some, but) loses some efficiency and (well...seemingly...projection).

I'm pretty sure that I can make more (quality, btw) "racket" with mine - which (mouthpipe) begins at under 1/2 inch, and doesn't achieve a 3/4-inch bore until the second rotor.

As demonstrated with the "monster" E-flat tubas (of the 1920's - 1930's, etc.), there's always going to be a trade-off with tactics such as those.

ie. "I like this mutation - not because it's better, but - because it's more like that to which I'm accustomed.